NOM

"And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters. And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father - old, and not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth: Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father."

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Bonfire wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 7:04 am "And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters. And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father - old, and not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth: Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father."

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I think that when I was a therapist in the sexual offender’s group, that many of them used that excuse. “I was drunk so I didn’t know my 12 year old daughter was not my wife.” The guys who had been around longer and had already faced their justifications and taken responsibility for their behavior would jump down the guy’s throat, so my fellow therapist and I just sat and watched the show. It is bull shit, plain and simple. It is the man trying to excuse his inexcusable behavior. So, why is Lot different? Because he didn’t have a therapy group to tell him that was a bullshit excuse? Fact: if a man is too drunk to not know that his wife isn’t around and to recognize his own daughters, then he is too drunk to get an erecting or function sexually. So, this is just good old male started incest. The daughters did not suggest it, let alone get their father drunk and seduce him. This is just the age old excuse that men use to try to excuse their inexcusable behavior.

There are other excuses. Some men say they are teaching their daughter about sex. Others that their wife is more to blame than they are. Others flat out blame the child. One father said his four year old sat on his lap and wiggled “seductively” and we were supposed to believe that the four year old was seducing him knowingly and purposely and that he just couldn’t control himself. Yeah, right. This is no different. Incest offenders blame the victim, standard rule of that kind of selfish narcissist behavior. So, why would anyone believe Lot? Because rape culture blames the victim, and we have rape culture recorded as “truth” in the Bible and it is still bullshit.

Bonfire wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 7:04 am "And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters. And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father - old, and not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth: Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father."

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I think it's pornography, and that it kills love. (just messing with you, Bonfire! ) But really, there is some pretty nasty stuff in the Good Book.

TSCC doesn’t condemn Lot to my knowledge.

It’s interesting how a teenager is necking in the parked car and they are committing the sin next to murder, and Lot gets a pass.

This double standard is one of the main reasons I will never again trust the church.


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Hagoth wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 3:19 pm I think it's pornography, and that it kills love. (just messing with you, Bonfire! ) But really, there is some pretty nasty stuff in the Good Book.

Lot's family may not be as abhorrent as we let ourselves imagine. The mind can be a terrible weapon, like a sword with two edges: We can easily cut ourselves.

Why did Lot fear to stay in Zoar?

Lot separated with his DW, expecting that she would return. Why? Let's look at Numbers 6

When either man or woman shall separate to vow a vow of a Nazarite, to separate unto the Lord: He shall separate from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried. All the days of his separation shall he eat nothing that is made of the vine tree, from the kernels even to the husk. All the days of the vow of his separation there shall no razor come upon his head: until the days be fulfilled, in the which he separateth unto the Lord, he shall be holy, shall let the locks of the hair of his head grow.

He was waiting! They meant to conceive!

As far as I can tell, your Nazarite quote has nothing to do with your interpretation.

Lot had already offered his daughters up to rapists to save some strangers from sodomy. The rapists declined, as I remember, because they were mostly same sex rapists. Still, Lot wasn't any winning any dad of the year awards. He seemed like a bad dude. But his wife was even saltier.

Women vs Men: Case of the Camelid Priesthood

The ears are the Grand Key. More attuned to hearing the words of Dog. (sorry, Llamas are a bit dyslexic)

Did I read that this was because Lot’s son did drag shows on the weekends? Oh, wait, that was Brigham Young’s son.

I wonder what this story was trying to convey back in the day. I do not believe most of the Bible stories to be true. Adam and Eve, Noah and the ark, there were all fables passed down and did not really occur. I’ve no reason to believe the story of Lot is true, either.

Cnsl1 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:08 am But his wife was even saltier.

Good one! LOL

That story about Lot just proves that the bible was definitely written by narcissistic men.

RubinHighlander wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 11:21 am

Cnsl1 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:08 am But his wife was even saltier.

Good one! LOL

That story about Lot just proves that the bible was definitely written by narcissistic men.

Thanks and... yeah I believe you're right.

Right from the start, Adam is too obedient to eat of the fruit of that tree, but that Eve.... Of course, she was the smarter one. She knew they had to "die" to progress, but God had to punish her, so he cursed her with the pain of child birth. Did ya'll remember that? It's in the temple film (or used to be), but I remember also seeing it in the scriptures. Because Eve succumbed to Lucifer's temptation, God cursed her with the pain of child birth. So, despite it was the only way to progress she still got punished. I suppose had Adam been the first one to partake, God might have increased his pain in conception. Thank you Adam, thank you Lord.

And if it hurt to f@$% we probably don't get too far with the great plan of happiness.

Adam not looking like such a dummy now, is he!?

Or.. yeah, maybe all this $#&! is written by narcissistic men.

Cnsl1 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:08 am Lot had already offered his daughters up to rapists to save some strangers from sodomy. The rapists declined, as I remember, because they were mostly same sex rapists. Still, Lot wasn't any winning any dad of the year awards. He seemed like a bad dude. But his wife was even saltier.

Why did they decline? They wanted to get his spouse.
It's sad: A man lost his partner in the same way as Nabal.
Abigail was taken by David in like manner.

Bonfire wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 6:57 pm Why did they decline? They wanted to get his spouse.
It's sad: A man lost his partner in the same way as Nabal.
Abigail was taken by David in like manner.

And if you believe this is a true story you probably believe his wife actually turned into a pillar of salt.

So what really happened to the location that the Bible calls Sodom and Gomorrah? It appears that the anonymous Bible authors used an actual event as a story telling device.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-ne ... 180978734/

The Jordan Valley was hit by the shockwave of an exploding meteor about 200 years after the biblical Lot story, but the memory was still being shared orally when the Genesis author(s) thought it sounded like a good story to weave into the narrative around the 6th-8th century BC.

Hagoth wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 4:19 pm

Bonfire wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 6:57 pm Why did they decline? They wanted to get his spouse.
It's sad: A man lost his partner in the same way as Nabal.
Abigail was taken by David in like manner.

And if you believe this is a true story you probably believe his wife actually turned into a pillar of salt.

So what really happened to the location that the Bible calls Sodom and Gomorrah? It appears that the anonymous Bible authors used an actual event as a story telling device.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-ne ... 180978734/

The Jordan Valley was hit by the shockwave of an exploding meteor about 200 years after the biblical Lot story, but the memory was still being shared orally when the Genesis author(s) thought it sounded like a good story to weave into the narrative around the 6th-8th century BC.

I believe she was carried away like Delilah.