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How many people out there consider, Mormons and other millennialists, will see Putin's actions as some sort of justifying fulfillment of last days prophecy? Let me reword that. How many will see it as actually the last of the last days, not just the last days that every generation thinks they're in.

I heard a TBM point out that President Russell said there would be hard times ahead and that the 2nd coming is just around the corner, so this must be the beginning of the end of the world.

Whether there are difficult times ahead or not, this shows me that the "Brethren" have been caught absolutely flat-footed and clueless. There was no timely dream of seven fat kine and seven malnourished kine to be interpreted. No whispering in the ear. No vision in the temple. No "Thus sayeth the Lord".

"Take your vitamins....." said the great policy changer.

Really?

That's the best you can do?

Palerider wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:51 am "Take your vitamins....." said the great policy changer.

Right! But Mormons are so inspiration-starved they seem to be able to interpret that as specific revelation, regardless of what happens. See, he KNEW this was coming.

Let’s discuss when gasoline goes over $7 a gallon.

Now you got me wondering what exactly have the Q15 been saying over the last 3 years?

How many of you remember the Cuban Missile Crisis? They still held the World Series.

I’m not sure why, but I can’t seem to get the Ukrainian war out of my mind. I’ve had a pit in my stomach since the invasion. I feel so bad for those young people and everyday citizens who are paying the ultimate price. I feel helpless.

I am so disappointed in humans. The tribal mindset will be our demise. Be it religion, politics, skin color, sexuality, or whatever, Humans in general just can’t seem to want everyone to be happy. We follow charismatic leaders without considering their motives. We are selfish by nature, and want to be special in the eyes of our tribes.

I had hoped that humans were moving forward as we became more knowledgeable about our world, and then this happens. Just makes me sick.

A good nom friend of mine said he thinks humans have about 1,000 years left before we go extinct. Recently I feel like it will be much sooner than that.

Better take your Vitamins!

If I’m not mistaken, armed conflicts have been a staple of history on Earth. I don’t foreseen a time when there won’t be wars and rumors of wars. It seems to be part of the human condition.

Let's hope Putin does not choose the nuclear option. Putin still has his supporters, such as Trump and the Republican Party. If he can forego armageddon, Deutsche Bank might build him his own tower in Fort Lauderdale.

Hagoth wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:23 am How many people out there consider, Mormons and other millennialists, will see Putin's actions as some sort of justifying fulfillment of last days prophecy? Let me reword that. How many will see it as actually the last of the last days, not just the last days that every generation thinks they're in.

The irony is that we go the same thing each time a major conflict starts.

People are saying this time is the start of the wars that will lead to the Battle of Armageddon and the 2nd coming. However, they said the same thing after 9-11. I remember the same thing back in 1999 when there was an eruption of attacks in Israel. I vaguely remember the same thing in 1990 with the lead up to the gulf war.

When you can take a step back and see the bigger picture, it's a lot of Chicken Little saying "The sky is falling." No really, this time the 2nd coming is right around the corner.

However, when a person is still in it, you seam to get tunnel vision that this time it's it. This time it will be the war to end all wars. You forget about or downplay the previous times that it was the war to end all wars. In a way, you have to. If you think about why the 2nd coming keeps getting delayed, it has a lot of very uncomfortable implications to a person's faith structure.

I guess that is partially why LDSinc. has gotten a bit more vague on their 2nd comming talk lately. If you get too specific on your predictions, it can come back to bite you.

I don’t think the current situation has anything to do with made up millennial prophecies but it does illustrate one actual good nugget of Wisdom that JS put in his fictional gold Bible. To paraphrase: It takes a lot of bloodshed to remove an unrighteous king.

Vladamir Putin is the Adolf Hitler of our generation. A crazy mad megalomaniac who is bent on either World Conquest or World Destruction. The evidence increasingly shows he’ll take either outcome. I fear we all have some dark days ahead as a planet before things potentially get better. Putin has crossed the Rubicon and no longer has the ability to back down, save face, and re-enter polite society as a world leader. His grip on power is maintained by absolute censorship, lies, and at the point of a gun. To open things up and allow the truth to get out would destroy his power and delusions of grandeur, leading to his overthrow.

Like all dictators with the blood of thousands/millions on their hands his only future course is to conquer or die. Like all sane people I hope he’ll be overthrown or assassinated by his own people. However history tells us that is extremely unlikely as even Hitler died at the time of his own choosing.

For humanity’s sake hopefully I’m wrong and Putin miraculously dies in his sleep or wakes up one day with a conscience. May whatever Supreme Being you believe in have mercy on all of us.

My dad thinks this is the will usher in the 2nd coming. Just like he thought all the other wars in the past 30 years would. He even hopes so. I told him not to make it a self-fulfilling prophecy. Just because it says it in a book doesn't predestine the world to plunge into brutal war.

Linked wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:45 pm Just because it says it in a book doesn't predestine the world to plunge into brutal war.

Especially if that book is really talking about things that were happening thousands of years ago. Every generation since then has misinterpreted it as talking about them.

Gas at 7.00 USD/Gallon, I'd take that in a heartbeat........
Gas in Holland is now at USD 10.20/Gallon.

It seems like every network news broadcast I see spends almost as much time talking to people who are freaking out about the price at the pump as they do on the tragedy in Ukraine. I would love to hear them say, "there's some really bad stuff going down, people. You should expect consequences. Please try to have a little patience."

2bizE wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:57 pm If I’m not mistaken, armed conflicts have been a staple of history on Earth. I don’t foreseen a time when there won’t be wars and rumors of wars. It seems to be part of the human condition.

Yes. 100%


I talk with DW about this a lot. Christianity developed from apocalyptic Judaism which believed that the world was under the control of dark cosmic powers who were oppressing and creating suffering for the majority of people on the earth. But God would put a stop to it and the end of this dark age was imminent and a new age and a good Kingdom of God would be coming very soon.

Our LDS tradition and even our name continued this tradition as many other types of Christianity have done albeit perhaps in a more concentrated form. Bottom line, is that it is woven into the DNA of Christianity and LDS belief. It will never go away. There will always be suffering on the earth in one way, shape, or form. God intervening will always be the answer.