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As I'm doing these overviews, every time I come across the most "troubling" comments from the current generations of leaders it is almost always Oaks.

I haven't even gotten to LGBT issues yet, but he's there on how to gain a testimony, only trusting personal revelation that confirms leaders, being duped by Hoffman on the day of the bombings, etc.

On some level I feel like I'm picking on him in the last handful of overviews, but he really is a terrible leader for the church.

Is there anyone worse than Oaks?

Packer was. But mercifully he I’d dead.

I don’t think Rusty is far behind Oaks with his “God’s love is conditional.” But I think Oaks could be used as a villain like Umbrage in Harry Potter. Any one want to give it a try. Have someone just like Oasks become head Master at Hogwarts and see where it goes.

Tough question.

I would say that oaks has given talks I liked. His last talk in GC was surprisingly helpful, in my opinion, acknowledging that we can believe different things politically and that we should follow concepts and law and not a particular person.

I don't know if Bednar has ever given a talk I liked. Or Nelson.

All three come across as pretentious dicks.

Did I really say that? Nah, surely not.

All those guys are human, very human, and their inspiration is about equal to the guy on the street. The problem is LDS society considers them more than human- essentially demi-gods

Didn’t Oaks run the surveillance program to trap homosexual students at BYU in the late 70’s?

“We are not going to stand for solicitation of sexual acts—homosexual or heterosexual—on this campus and among its students. We ask Security to be especially watchful for that kind of crime”.[10]

Red Ryder wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 1:46 pm Didn’t Oaks run the surveillance program to trap homosexual students at BYU in the late 70’s?

“We are not going to stand for solicitation of sexual acts—homosexual or heterosexual—on this campus and among its students. We ask Security to be especially watchful for that kind of crime”.[10]

And was in charge when they did electroshock therapy @ BYU.

I think Oaks is still by far the worst. He has harmed more people than any of the others. His last conference talk was an anomaly. He took a break from harming our gay friends to provide some necessary bashing of our republican, Trump lover members. He is preparing for his reign of power where most groups are already alienated by him.

jfro18 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 1:03 pm Is there anyone worse than Oaks?

Some of the Brethren such as Elder Cook and Elder Bednar have not been accorded the same level of speaking opportunities as President Oaks.

jfro18 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 1:54 pm

Red Ryder wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 1:46 pm Didn’t Oaks run the surveillance program to trap homosexual students at BYU in the late 70’s?

“We are not going to stand for solicitation of sexual acts—homosexual or heterosexual—on this campus and among its students. We ask Security to be especially watchful for that kind of crime”.[10]

And was in charge when they did electroshock therapy @ BYU.

I think that was started under Ernest Wilkinson and continued under Dallin Oaks. Not sure if it was still going under Jeffery Holland. BYU was told by the Court that it needed to cease electronic surveillance of its suspected homosexual students without a court order signed by a judge for a valid reason. Bet Dallin Oaks was hopping mad at that ruling.

I constantly feel that Oaks is exactly as horrible as he can get away with. If unconstrained he would rule with blood and horror on this earth.