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Some FAIR Mormon author wrote:"But for some people it's still a little bit uncomfortable to think about that seer stone. Why do you think that is?
"That's a good question. I don't know why that is."

1. Incredibly silly
2. suspiciously ocultic
3. largely like Joseph was pulling a big scam

Corsair wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:45 pm There's a level of cluelessness going on that unintentionally makes these two people look weirdly ignorant. Here's a direct quote from the video starting at 3:42:

Some FAIR Mormon author wrote:"But for some people it's still a little bit uncomfortable to think about that seer stone. Why do you think that is?
"That's a good question. I don't know why that is."

Seriously? You "don't know why that is"? This is a ridiculous failure of imagination on their part. A big part of the reason is that it manages a glorious trifecta of looking:

1. Incredibly silly
2. suspiciously ocultic
3. largely like Joseph was pulling a big scam

Rock in the hat is still not mentioned in the general curriculum. Generations of missionaries told unintentional lies when confronted by this silliness by Evangelicals who of course knew the real story. We will see if the institutional church is brave enough to put this information in the Sunday School "Come Follow Me" manual in 2021 for the Book of Mormon year or 2022 for the Church History year.

As usual, there is no reference to the times that Bruce McConkie and Joseph Fielding Smith said this was false. There is no explanation why the church avoided the translation details, but options 1, 2, and 3 above are certainly the unspoken reason. Another point that is unlikely to pointed out is how South Park was so astonishingly accurate in how it portrayed the whole process.

jfro18 wrote:This is very well put - I want to print it out and send a framed copy to the church history dept.

deacon blues wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:04 pm I left a comment. Just a reference for a different point of view.

Keewon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:55 pm I remember the first time I stumbled across a bit of history that contradicted the official line (I found an old copy of the endowment ceremony containing the Adam God doctrine) and approached a church historian about it. I was convinced this must be a vicious anti-mormon production. No, he explained, it's all valid. He then asked "what are you going to do about it"?

Corsair wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:35 am

Keewon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:55 pm I remember the first time I stumbled across a bit of history that contradicted the official line (I found an old copy of the endowment ceremony containing the Adam God doctrine) and approached a church historian about it. I was convinced this must be a vicious anti-mormon production. No, he explained, it's all valid. He then asked "what are you going to do about it"?

Hey, Mr. Historian, how about I show the complete South Park episode of "All About the Mormons" to the youth in my stake? Is there anything false in the episode? No, there really is not. Is there an equally helpful church video to counter South Park? No, there really is not.

deacon blues wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:04 pm I left a comment. Just a reference for a different point of view.

RubinHighlander wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:39 pmI noticed how hard they pushed the U&T, trying to keep that in there as a credible artifact; then as they talked about what the more accurate artists depiction would look like, JS' face in the hat, the picture they used was him shading out the light from the hat with his hand, but didn't actually have his face down in it. Oh my gods I still can't believe I bought into any of it all those years!

Hagoth wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:14 pm I noticed they used the iPhone comparison. Today I was listening to RFM's Elder Snow podcast and he also brought up the iPhone as an analog to the seer stone. Maybe they should put that thing in an MRI machine and let us see what kind of circuitry is inside. Otherwise a better analogy would be a magic pane of glass that has writing appear on it. But of course, that just takes us back to magic.

Corsair wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:45 am Why can a modern corporation produce a bright enough screen and God cannot?

Corsair wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:45 am There is one really good way to clear up this seer stone business. Have Russell Nelson use it successfully.

Yobispo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:35 am

deacon blues wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:04 pm I left a comment. Just a reference for a different point of view.

Hey Deacon, I just left a comment, too, but there were no other comments. Hmmmm....

deacon blues wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:42 pm I’m presuming President Nelson has the keys to operate a seer stone, but with all the other keys he has it might be hard to find the right one.