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Blashyrkh wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:59 am Both of these aircraft are registered to charter companies. Now whether the church owns these companies or not is another question. However, with the number of people that have to accompany Nelson it makes financial sense to charter these planes rather than fly everyone first class. I mean he deserves nothing less. Right?

Palerider wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:45 am

Blashyrkh wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:59 am Both of these aircraft are registered to charter companies. Now whether the church owns these companies or not is another question. However, with the number of people that have to accompany Nelson it makes financial sense to charter these planes rather than fly everyone first class. I mean he deserves nothing less. Right?

I wouldn't be surprised if this is the way they look at it.

Some of these islands, like Tonga aren't that easy to get in and out of. I'm sure they're thinking if they charter the jets, they can fly in, fly out on their own schedule and get the "Word of the Lord" to members in a more timely fashion. Plus they aren't stuck in a hotel overnight waiting for a flight out the next day.

The church is all about efficiency, if not efficacy.

alas wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:02 am

Palerider wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:45 am

Blashyrkh wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:59 am Both of these aircraft are registered to charter companies. Now whether the church owns these companies or not is another question. However, with the number of people that have to accompany Nelson it makes financial sense to charter these planes rather than fly everyone first class. I mean he deserves nothing less. Right?

I wouldn't be surprised if this is the way they look at it.

Some of these islands, like Tonga aren't that easy to get in and out of. I'm sure they're thinking if they charter the jets, they can fly in, fly out on their own schedule and get the "Word of the Lord" to members in a more timely fashion. Plus they aren't stuck in a hotel overnight waiting for a flight out the next day.

The church is all about efficiency, if not efficacy.

I think I heard some where that some very wealthy Mormon family/company loans their private jets to the church for such use, free of charge, so the church isn’t paying anything for the jets, except throwing their political weight behind that company. So, I suspect that this criticism is unwarranted. Now, when you see the church throw all kinds of political pressure behind a particular company, then you can criticize. I kinda, sorta remember it was someone like Huntsman senior, but don’t quote me cause I may have the supper rich family wrong.

Palerider wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:36 am They couldn't just fly commercial 1st class?

Palerider wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:36 am They couldn't just fly commercial 1st class?

Your tithing dollars at work. "We have sufficient for our needs."

Palerider wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:45 am Some of these islands, like Tonga aren't that easy to get in and out of. I'm sure they're thinking if they charter the jets, they can fly in, fly out on their own schedule and get the "Word of the Lord" to members in a more timely fashion. Plus they aren't stuck in a hotel overnight waiting for a flight out the next day.

blazerb wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:00 pm You can't meet Mick Jagger flying coach. (Referring to this story: http://mormonmonsters.blogspot.com/2009 ... agger.html.)

Not Buying It wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 5:05 am Let’s pretend for a moment that the private jets are being used free of charge, although none of us really know if that’s the case. It would still be an instance of President Nelson using his power and influence to get something normal members do not have access to, which in my opinion is wrong. When Church leaders with certain positions get perks, it sends a message that, to paraphrase George Orwell, “all members are equal, but some members are more equal than others”. How many of you have access to a private jet to fulfill your calling in the Church? At the other extreme, how many of you are Primary teachers who pay for lesson materials with your own money because the Church doesn’t budget for any?

I get it, the Brethren love being rock stars, teachings by Christ about the dangers of pride be damned. But this is just one of many ways that we all pay into a system we do not all benefit from equally. Of course, that kind of thinking goes all the way back to Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, but private jets convey a message to the members that “we are better than you”. Which is how they want it I guess, but I personally don’t believe it is right.

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Not Buying It wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 5:05 am Let’s pretend for a moment that the private jets are being used free of charge, although none of us really know if that’s the case. It would still be an instance of President Nelson using his power and influence to get something normal members do not have access to, which in my opinion is wrong. When Church leaders with certain positions get perks, it sends a message that, to paraphrase George Orwell, “all members are equal, but some members are more equal than others”.

Emower wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:16 am

Not Buying It wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 5:05 am Let’s pretend for a moment that the private jets are being used free of charge, although none of us really know if that’s the case. It would still be an instance of President Nelson using his power and influence to get something normal members do not have access to, which in my opinion is wrong. When Church leaders with certain positions get perks, it sends a message that, to paraphrase George Orwell, “all members are equal, but some members are more equal than others”.

I get what you are saying, and I dont disagree. But if we draw that kind of comparison we also need to take expectations into account. How many of us have an expectation to travel the world in our callings? Could he fly coach? Sure. Does he need an entourage requiring 2 planes? No.

If this church is supposed to be as Jesus centered as possible that money should be given to the poor and the Pres. should be staying on an air mattress in some members home. I would even be OK if he splurged on a fancy air mattress, since he is 97 after all.

Emower wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:16 am
I get what you are saying, and I dont disagree. But if we draw that kind of comparison we also need to take expectations into account. How many of us have an expectation to travel the world in our callings? Could he fly coach? Sure. Does he need an entourage requiring 2 planes? No.

If this church is supposed to be as Jesus centered as possible that money should be given to the poor and the Pres. should be staying on an air mattress in some members home. I would even be OK if he splurged on a fancy air mattress, since he is 97 after all.