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Wouldn't it be nice to hear a nice, positive, feel-good talk that wasn't designed to funnel everything back into why the church is so awesome.

It's all just branding.

I game so sick and tired of them talking about obeying God, Jesus, the commandments, etc. when they are just using those words as substitutes for the church. I'm so sick and tired of being told that whenever a person does a good thing it's because of the church, or when they do a bad thing it's because they aren't loyal enough to the church, or when someone has a positive attitude about their cancer, or makes a wise choice or when the freakin' sun rises in the morning it's all proof that an obscure former-polygamist cult Salt Lake City is the God's-One-And-Only-True-Church.

That's why I say it's not the church of Jesus Christ by any stretch of the imagination. It's the church of the CHURCH of Jesus Christ of etc. etc.

I think you are spot on. Church of the Church has been my working definition of the organization since you proposed it.

Hagoth wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:51 pm... an obscure former-polygamist cult Salt Lake...

Former?

There's nothing former about it. D&C 132 is still cannon. All good Church of the Church males who make it to Super VIP heaven get to be polygamists. Hell, Rusty even brags about it. They might not be "currently practicing", but they're still a polygamist cult. (Should we mention how under certain circumstances, living men can be sealed to multiple living women?)

Of course, claiming that they're not a polygamist cult is part of the name brand marketing too...

wtfluff wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 3:48 pm Former?

There's nothing former about it. D&C 132 is still cannon. All good Church of the Church males who make it to Super VIP heaven get to be polygamists. Hell, Rusty even brags about it. They might not be "currently practicing", but they're still a polygamist cult. (Should we mention how under certain circumstances, living men can be sealed to multiple living women?)

Of course, claiming that they're not a polygamist cult is part of the name brand marketing too...

I recall a recent prophet proclaiming that "it was never doctrinal," or something like that.

wtfluff wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 3:48 pm(Should we mention how under certain circumstances, living men can be sealed to multiple living women?)

When I got married the first time, my spouse was sealed to two women. He was twice divorced, but the sealings were still there.

Random wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:22 pm

wtfluff wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 3:48 pm(Should we mention how under certain circumstances, living men can be sealed to multiple living women?)

When I got married the first time, my spouse was sealed to two women. He was twice divorced, but the sealings were still there.

Yikes!

Random wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:22 pm

wtfluff wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 3:48 pm(Should we mention how under certain circumstances, living men can be sealed to multiple living women?)

When I got married the first time, my spouse was sealed to two women. He was twice divorced, but the sealings were still there.

I boasted about being sealed to two women... until I learned the truth behind it all.

Hagoth wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:14 pm

wtfluff wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 3:48 pm Former?

There's nothing former about it. D&C 132 is still cannon. All good Church of the Church males who make it to Super VIP heaven get to be polygamists. Hell, Rusty even brags about it. They might not be "currently practicing", but they're still a polygamist cult. (Should we mention how under certain circumstances, living men can be sealed to multiple living women?)

Of course, claiming that they're not a polygamist cult is part of the name brand marketing too...

I recall a recent prophet proclaiming that "it was never doctrinal," or something like that.

When the "current prophet" brags about his polygamous exploits over the pulpit at the mormon convention, I'm comfortable saying that the other "recent prophet" has been under-bussed. I'm 'pretty sure' that other "recent prophet" is enjoying his billions of polygamous wives and populating his planets now that he's dead too. (About as 'sure' as I am that Zeus lives, and loves us too.)

wtfluff wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:57 pm When the "current prophet" brags about his polygamous exploits over the pulpit at the mormon convention, I'm comfortable saying that the other "recent prophet" has been under-bussed. I'm 'pretty sure' that other "recent prophet" is enjoying his billions of polygamous wives and populating his planets now that he's dead too. (About as 'sure' as I am that Zeus lives, and loves us too.)

What is the quote where Nelson brags about being sealed to two women? I know I've seen it but I looked once a while back and could not find it on some google searches, but I might've been searching with the wrong terms in mind.

But yes, GenCon is basically a pep rally to make sure members are still as loyal to the leaders as ever. And it works just by judging the reaction in the faithful areas online.

Hagoth wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:44 pm

Random wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:22 pm When I got married the first time, my spouse was sealed to two women. He was twice divorced, but the sealings were still there.

Yikes!

I got a cancellation of sealing a few years after we got divorced (with no future marriage on the horizon; probably because both my bishop and sp went to bat for me).

First wife died, still being sealed to him, but hated him with a passion. I think the 2nd wife decided Mormonism was not for her. So, it looks like he'll be wifeless in heaven, supposing the lds corp really has sealing power.

jfro18 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:43 pmWhat is the quote where Nelson brags about being sealed to two women? I know I've seen it but I looked once a while back and could not find it on some google searches, but I might've been searching with the wrong terms in mind.

But yes, GenCon is basically a pep rally to make sure members are still as loyal to the leaders as ever. And it works just by judging the reaction in the faithful areas online.

Maybe I shouldn't type about it, because I haven't actually listened to, or read the speech where cRusty bragged about his polygamous exploits.

Hopefully someone here on NOM remembers where that happened. I could have been a speech somewhere besides GC...

jfro18 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:43 pm But yes, GenCon is basically a pep rally to make sure members are still as loyal to the leaders as ever. And it works just by judging the reaction in the faithful areas online.

Henry Eyring gave a talk during the priesthood session tonight basically asserting that to criticize the 'Lord's annointed' is speaking evil of the 'Lord's annointed' and leads to spiritual degradation and a win for Satan. Church leaders think they're above reproach and are worthy of worship as they act as businessmen for a multi-hundred billion dollar real estate corporation with financial perks and benefits for themselves and families... it's nauseating.

Mormon 8 wrote:

jfro18 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:43 pm But yes, GenCon is basically a pep rally to make sure members are still as loyal to the leaders as ever. And it works just by judging the reaction in the faithful areas online.

Henry Eyring gave a talk during the priesthood session tonight basically asserting that to criticize the 'Lord's annointed' is speaking evil of the 'Lord's annointed' and leads to spiritual degradation and a win for Satan. Church leaders think they're above reproach and are worthy of worship as they act as businessmen for a multi-hundred billion dollar real estate corporation with financial perks and benefits for themselves and families... it's nauseating.

I was washed and anointed in the temple so they can’t criticize me either.

Hagoth wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:51 pm Wouldn't it be nice to hear a nice, positive, feel-good talk that wasn't designed to funnel everything back into why the church is so awesome.

I think you've succinctly summed up my feelings about conference. I shouldn't speak because I haven't watched conference this year but in years past I tried to view conference as god's message to the world. When I did that I found that the messages weren't really designed for consumption by the world, they were designed almost exclusively for members.

In a way the general conference betrays buried insecurities, at least in my opinion. If leaders and members were so confident that the church was True they wouldn't spend so much time trying to convince themselves that it's True and policing the borders of belief.

nibbler wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:51 am ..policing the borders of belief.

I love that. I picture a t-shirt with that phrase and a Big Brotheresque portrait of Dallin Oaks, or maybe BKP.

ETA: and that face is projected into the sky above a silhouette of the temple surrounded with razor wire topped walls and guard towers with searchlights and machine guns. LGBT saints stand at a safe distance holding rainbow flags that have been shot full of holes.