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LDS Church Need to Repent

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:01 am
by Brent
I am no longer a member of the LDS church. I did not have a faith crisis, calling what happened to me a “faith crisis” is akin to blaming the victim for their rape. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints violated my trust and, as a partner, I chose to leave after discovering that infidelity. Yes, infidelity. What happens when your spouse continually lies to you, what do you call it? Your spouse marries another and doesn’t tell you—that’s infidelity. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints deceived me, my father, my family and my friends. The Church knew the facts and actively hid, obfuscated and even fabricated stories in order to keep truth from everyone.

I spent the better part of my 56 years certain in the belief that the story of Joseph and Emma was one of the great love stories (I thought maybe she died of sorrow after Joseph passed). I knew that the gold plates were real and that Joseph had translated them with one finger holding his place and speaking the words from the page. He did the same with the Pearl of Great Price. Joseph was close to perfect, a man pristine, pure, and unblemished by the mud, filth and lust of a modern world; he had done more than any man save Jesus Christ to save us from ourselves. I was told to emulate him. I was told to revere him, to try to be like him and to feel lucky he had been so fine a man and I was so very fortunate to be born into the Church he had restored.

I was grounded. I knew Truth. Every part was in its place without edge or crack. As a young man I sowed my wild oats. I didn’t go on a mission. I eventually married and was sealed in the Temple. I served as Young Men’s President, Gospel Doctrine Instructor, Bishop’s Counselor, and Sunday School President. I was in. In solid and in deep. Anchored in bedrock I had no doubts and no worries. Back in the day, when I was 18, I had this conversation with my Pop.

Me: Was Joseph a Polygamist?
Pop: No, but lots of women were sealed to him posthumously because they had no husband.
Me: Was Joseph a treasure hunter?
Pop: Nope.
Me: Was he tried and convicted as a con-man?
Pop: That was a different Joseph Smith. The record is sketchy.

I walked away satisfied. I had questions, Pop had answers neat and clean. Imagine how I felt when I realized he was lying to me, the Church made my Pop accessory to the lie. As we consider how people feel when the honest facts of Church history come into focus you need to remember that the difference between the story told in 20th Century and the story told now is stunning. Go to https://www.lds.org/topics/essays?lang=eng and take a read through the OFFICIAL words of the Church and getting it straight from the horse’s mouth ask yourself: Is that what I was taught?
The old official story:
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The New Official “Narrative”:
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Before you say: “Well, everybody knew he used a rock in a hat to translate the Book of Mormon” let me simpy call BS on that and remind you how condescending that answer is. I DID NOT KNOW. Why didn’t I know? When did you learn about the rock in the hat? Google “Joseph Smith Translating the Book of Mormon” and look at the dozens and dozens of old narrative pictures. Then count the number of Hats and Rock pictures there are, you will find a whole bunch and not very many. The difference of story are so vast it’s not possible you knew about the rock in the hat until the Church officially “changed the narrative” with the essay on the mechanics of translation, look it up and read it. A more accurate term may be “Joseph channeled the Book of Mormon”.

Joseph did not read a word from the plates; the words appeared on a rock in a white hat. If your jaw is on the floor welcome to the club. I remember that Emma and Joseph was taught as one of the great love stories…until the Church announced Joseph had married 33 women while he was still living. Don’t believe me? How about the LDS Church: https://www.lds.org/topics/plural-marr ... o?lang=eng

But, everybody knew that right? It’s the knuckleheads like me who never got the memo and thought otherwise. Or maybe he’s just a man and well, it’ll all make sense someday. I’ve been hoodwinked before, lied to, fooled, call it what you like but I should TRUST someone I know has lied? I don’t think so. The Church won’t even Recognize it lied, it’s not seeking repentance, there is no Remorse, no Restitution, no Resolution and no Reformation. For more on the repentance process go here: https://www.lds.org/study/new-era/1999/ ... t?lang=eng

Do I want an apology? Yes, I’m asking the LDS Church to go through the repentance process as a corporation, therein stands the possibility of forgiveness. Guys, take your own medicine.

Re: LDS Church Need to Repent

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:31 am
by Stig
“The Church doesn’t seek apologies and we don’t give them” - Dallin H. Oaks

I don't think we should hold our breath waiting for an apology from this organization. It doesn't operate under the same set of rules it imposed on you and me.

Re: LDS Church Need to Repent

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:53 am
by Just This Guy
Brent wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:01 amDo I want an apology? Yes, I’m asking the LDS Church to go through the repentance process as a corporation, therein stands the possibility of forgiveness. Guys, take your own medicine.

I am reminded of Genesis's "Jesus He Knows Me."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-rfCnW5VlE

I started with the verse: "Won't find me practicing what I'm preaching./Won't find me making no sacrifice. /But I can get you a pocketful of miracles. /If you promise to be good, try to be nice. /God will take good care of you. /Just do as I say, don't do as I do" [emphasis added]

The song was written about televangelists, but the more I read though it, it fully applies to modern Mormonism. Greed and hyprocracy in the name of religion. it literally is the "philosophies of men, mingled with scripture."
You see the face on the TV screen
Coming at you every Sunday
See that face on the billboard
That man is me

On the cover of the magazine
There's no question why I'm smiling
You buy a piece of paradise
You buy a piece of me

I'll get you everything you wanted
I'll get you everything you need
Don't need to believe in hereafter
Just believe in me

'Cause Jesus he knows me
And he knows I'm right
I've been talking to Jesus all my life
Oh yes he knows me
And he knows I'm right
And he's been telling me
Everything is alright

I believe in the family
With my ever loving wife beside me
But she don't know about my girlfriend
Or the man I met last night

Do you believe in god
'Cause that's what I'm selling
And if you want to get to heaven
I'll see you right

You won't even have to leave your house
Or get outta your chair
You don't even have to touch that dial
'Cause I'm everywhere

And Jesus he knows me
And he knows I'm right
I've been talking to Jesus all my life
Oh yes he knows me
And he knows I'm right
Well he's been telling me
Everything's gonna be alright

Won't find me practicing what I'm preaching
Won't find me making no sacrifice
But I can get you a pocketful of miracles
If you promise to be good, try to be nice
God will take good care of you
Just do as I say, don't do as I do

I'm counting my blessings,
I've found true happiness
'Cause I'm getting richer, day by day
You can find me in the phone book,
Just call my toll free number
You can do it anyway you want
Just do it right away

There'll be no doubt in your mind
You'll believe everything I'm saying
If you want to get closer to him
Get on your knees and start paying

'Cause Jesus he knows me
And he knows I'm right
I've been talking to Jesus all my life
Oh yes he knows me
And he knows I'm right
Well he's been telling me
Everything's gonna be alright, alright

'Cause Jesus he knows me
And he knows I'm right
Oh yes he knows me and he knows I'm right
I've been talking to Jesus all my life
And he's been telling me everything is alright, alright

Jesus he knows me, Jesus he knows, know
Jesus he knows me, Jesus he knows, know
Jesus he knows me, Jesus he knows, know

Re: LDS Church Need to Repent

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:19 am
by Hagoth
Brent wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:01 am Guys, take your own medicine.
Well, there's your problem, Brent. You don't tell them to take their medicine, they tell you to take your vitamins.

I think we've finally reached a point where any curious adult member of the church who knows how to use the internet can only be fooled to the degree they choose to be. The problem is that most are willing, even eager participants in the lie. They like the lie. It works for them. If they didn't participate in the lie they would have to completely restructure their purpose in life and their place in the cosmos, and they wouldn't come out of it feeling so special and superior. They are very much like flat-earthers in that sense.

Re: LDS Church Need to Repent

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:04 pm
by Linked
Preach Brother Brent!

They told us we were the wise men built on a rock, but when you look closer the rock is a fake prop. Now the internet has shined a spotlight and they have had to claim they never meant that rock and acknowledge how sandy the foundation is, while still calling that sandy foundation a rock, but not the rock they told us about growing up.

Re: LDS Church Need to Repent

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:23 pm
by moksha
Stig wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:31 am
“The Church doesn’t seek apologies and we don’t give them”
-- Dallin H. Oaks
This really seems like a more appropriate statement coming from the League of Super-Villains than a church.

Re: LDS Church Need to Repent

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:52 pm
by Red Ryder
I like the infidelity apology but unfortunately my wife thinks my faith transition is betrayal to her. After all, she's told me she would never have married me had she known I would lose faith. "I didn't sign up for this..."

Well neither did I.

I guess I can't fault her because I can say the same thing about the church.

Had the church fully disclosed it's past, fully taught the whitewashed ever changing narrative, and actively encouraged full discussion of these issues than there wouldn't be any members left.

So whatever. I don't care for apologies, or any recognition from the corporate church. I apologize to myself for not figuring it out sooner! I've apologized to the wife and remind her that if she's going to use betrayal that she needs to point it towards the church. After all, I'm the victim of the false narrative and lies; and she is too. Then I remind her that she can leave anytime if she doesn't love me and doesn't want to make our mixed faith marriage work.

I think many of us here mentally move on from Mormonism, but get trapped in exmormonism for just as long. Waiting around for the church to change or apologize only prolongs the full escape. Life is too short to be angry at the organization.

To live and find new happiness is the best unsolicited apology.
An apology we all owe ourselves.

Re: LDS Church Need to Repent

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:21 pm
by Not Buying It
Stig wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:31 am “The Church doesn’t seek apologies and we don’t give them” - Dallin H. Oaks

I don't think we should hold our breath waiting for an apology from this organization. It doesn't operate under the same set of rules it imposed on you and me.
As I recall, didn’t the Church kind of seek an apology when it hand-delivered it’s complaint to the BBC the day after Elder Holland was “ambushed” by John Sweeney for the BBC documentary “The Mormon Candidate”? I’m not convinced Elder Oaks is being completely forthright when he says the Church doesn’t seek apologies.

Re: LDS Church Need to Repent

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:50 pm
by Stig
Not Buying It wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:21 pm
Stig wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:31 am “The Church doesn’t seek apologies and we don’t give them” - Dallin H. Oaks

I don't think we should hold our breath waiting for an apology from this organization. It doesn't operate under the same set of rules it imposed on you and me.
As I recall, didn’t the Church kind of seek an apology when it hand-delivered it’s complaint to the BBC the day after Elder Holland was “ambushed” by John Sweeney for the BBC documentary “The Mormon Candidate”? I’m not convinced Elder Oaks is being completely forthright when he says the Church doesn’t seek apologies.
An Apostle of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints not being "completely forthright"?! The scandal! The outrage! How dare you?! [/sarcasm]