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Raylan Givens wrote: ↑Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:14 am I saw this this morning, it wasn't surprising.

https://www.standard.net/news/governmen ... a7acb.html

I am actually thinking it isn't such a bad thing. My experience from living in Arizona has taught me that a Conservative majority can do really dumb things (just like a Liberal/progressive majority can do dumb things- Tucson, looking at you).

I now think the Church tempers the conservative law makers in the state. In Church, by and large, extreme positions are somewhat frowned upon. We all know the extreme conservative in our Ward, they usually get the side glance. My experience has been that they usually don't rise to prominent positions.

Utah is going to be Conservative whether it is LDS or not, but I am glad the Church has an inoculating effect on extremism.

Now if the state could strengthen hb54 and get a real general primary. That would help even further.

Thoughts?

RubinHighlander wrote: ↑Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:25 pm Utah politics are unbalanced. There's an interesting history as to how the state evolved into a republican majority. It's no surprise the church as always been a big part of the government in this state, but I think most would be surprised as to just how much the church controls it, especially where SLC is no longer majority LDS. The most recent example of blatant church interference in Utah legislation is the Prop 2 medial MJ bill. The public voted it in and the church immediately and directly gutted it and replaced it with what they wanted. Then they turn around and claim they are stepping out of it. Once again, talking out both sides of their two faces. If you get a chance, here's a podcast on what I'm talking about:

http://radiowest.kuer.org/post/lds-chur ... nabis-utah

They've done this type if legislating many times over Utah's history. It's one thing, as a non-profit corporation, to lobby for what you want and it's another to write up the legislation, hand it to your church broke cronies then they pass it with flying colors.

So why do all these church broke cronies keep getting elected? That's another form of control the church has over how the republican party controls the caucuses and districts; it's gerrymandering at it's finest. At least SLC elections are more balanced. In fact, Rocky Anderson, a former mayor of SLC, is suing the church over this last debacle with prop 2. He may not win against the Kirton and McConkie powerhouse, but perhaps he can shed some light on the blatant stepping over the line the COB continues to operate by when it comes to our state government.

moksha wrote: ↑Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:53 pm Raylan, did you have any experience with the former LDS Governor of Arizona, Evan Mecham?

Just This Guy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 28, 2019 11:09 am So the question is that even though the population that claim to be LDS is only 55%, why do they keep electing so many Mormons? At some point, the voters have to take credit for keeping this going.

RubinHighlander wrote: ↑Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:25 pm Utah politics are unbalanced. There's an interesting history as to how the state evolved into a republican majority. It's no surprise the church as always been a big part of the government in this state, but I think most would be surprised as to just how much the church controls it, especially where SLC is no longer majority LDS. The most recent example of blatant church interference in Utah legislation is the Prop 2 medial MJ bill. The public voted it in and the church immediately and directly gutted it and replaced it with what they wanted. Then they turn around and claim they are stepping out of it. Once again, talking out both sides of their two faces. If you get a chance, here's a podcast on what I'm talking about:

http://radiowest.kuer.org/post/lds-chur ... nabis-utah

They've done this type if legislating many times over Utah's history. It's one thing, as a non-profit corporation, to lobby for what you want and it's another to write up the legislation, hand it to your church broke cronies then they pass it with flying colors.

So why do all these church broke cronies keep getting elected? That's another form of control the church has over how the republican party controls the caucuses and districts; it's gerrymandering at it's finest. At least SLC elections are more balanced. In fact, Rocky Anderson, a former mayor of SLC, is suing the church over this last debacle with prop 2. He may not win against the Kirton and McConkie powerhouse, but perhaps he can shed some light on the blatant stepping over the line the COB continues to operate by when it comes to our state government.

Raylan Givens wrote: ↑Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:14 am I saw this this morning, it wasn't surprising.

https://www.standard.net/news/governmen ... a7acb.html

I am actually thinking it isn't such a bad thing. My experience from living in Arizona has taught me that a Conservative majority can do really dumb things (just like a Liberal/progressive majority can do dumb things- Tucson, looking at you).

I now think the Church tempers the conservative law makers in the state. In Church, by and large, extreme positions are somewhat frowned upon. We all know the extreme conservative in our Ward, they usually get the side glance. My experience has been that they usually don't rise to prominent positions.

Utah is going to be Conservative whether it is LDS or not, but I am glad the Church has an inoculating effect on extremism.

Now if the state could strengthen hb54 and get a real general primary. That would help even further.

Thoughts?

achilles wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:52 pm
I appreciate your point of view, but I'm just not seeing it where I live in Utah. Cache and Box Elder Counties are filled with extremist conservative viewpoints, and I just don't see our state representatives casting moderate votes. They are "church broke" like the rest, which means that "officially" the Church isn't running things, but "unofficially" the reps are conditioned to pay, pray, and obey--and obeying means casting the right votes in the legislature.

RubinHighlander wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:55 pm

achilles wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:52 pm
I appreciate your point of view, but I'm just not seeing it where I live in Utah. Cache and Box Elder Counties are filled with extremist conservative viewpoints, and I just don't see our state representatives casting moderate votes. They are "church broke" like the rest, which means that "officially" the Church isn't running things, but "unofficially" the reps are conditioned to pay, pray, and obey--and obeying means casting the right votes in the legislature.

This is also my observation. I will say that Utah Democrats seem to be more moderate than their counterparts in many other states.