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New RFM episode went up yesterday by the same name.

https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/201 ... ath-march/

It seems the speakers in last Gen Con came up with no less than eleven stories of people dying, but not one person being healed by a priesthood blessing.

It was a shut out!

All the Best!

--RFM

Somehow dying seems to elicit great emotional reactions. Being cured would be great, but all that agony pain and suffering then you die. What great faith that person has. Besides how can you tell a story about being healed when it never happens. You are left spinning bad stuff into good

Excellent episode as always. It amazes me how glaringly bold yet sumultaneously surrupticiously gradual this narrative shift is. Is it even remotely possible that all these speakers randomly chose to move the goal posts like this or is there some kind of joint leadership directed effort happening?!?

Great RFM podcast! Listened to it last night!

Last conference they were probably playing up the fear of death to keep people too scared to question. (The reign of Deiter is over! Its no more Mister nice First Presidency! It’s fire, brimstone, and conditional love!)

It’s probably the internet era that’s keeping conference speakers from making up bullshit Paul Dunn stories about miracles.

But, I know its been a while, but in my youth Vaughn Featherstone gave a conference talk about a worthy priesthood holder using the priesthood to raise his son from the dead! That’s a pretty big miracle in my book!

Fratherstone’s talk is still on the Lds.org website so it hasn’t been recanted.... They really should talk about that miracle more! Jesus raised a dead person and we are still talking about it 2000 years later!

I wonder why they don’t....I hope its not because Featherstone lied! I grew up with that stuff! My parents, grandparents all watched conference. You don’t think the church propagated, and still has on lds.org, a LIE do you? People make life decisions on these conference talks! People pay 10% of their income based on these talks!

This is a summary of Featherstone’s talk:

https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comme ... ks_vaughn/

FiveFingerMnemonic wrote: ↑Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:34 pm Is it even remotely possible that all these speakers randomly chose to move the goal posts like this or is there some kind of joint leadership directed effort happening?!?

Probably not. It's just that by this point in their development these people are so quick to mimic top leadership they're more like mirrors than they are thinking people.

Let Bednar give one of his talks standing on his head and then watch the circus at the next conference.

Talks on something universal like death make more sense than talks about faith healing or seer stone looking. Deemphasizing the superstitious portions of our religion represents a good thing to me. Instead, directing our empathy about the tragedies of the human condition, to a willingness to make life better for one another, seems commendable.

Listened yesterday while working -- great podcast. I think that's a very underrated criticism of the church. There are no miracles, even with the priesthood supposedly being restored.

Combine that with almost every key faith promoting story being proven false with time... what is left? This is a church that promises the power and ability of Superman but can't even live up to Clark Kent.

One of the most valid examples of the lack of PH power is an argument about comparing sickness statistics across different hospitals. Yes, we have a top notch cancer facility in SLC, but the general understanding is that in Utah, there is no significantly better heal rate than in other places in the states. But, there are WAY MORE BLESSINGS given in SLC than in other places. So, what's the deal?

A TBM would say: "Well, that's because those giving the blessing didn't have enough faith!"

And then you come along RFM and blow the crap out of that argument with 11 examples of "death" being the outcome.

"These signs shall fallow them that believe....." <<oops>>

The logical conclusion using the TBM argument above is the GA's don't have faith.

Listened to it. God apparently tries very, very hard to make sure that there is no justifiable proof or evidence that his one and only true church and path to earthly, and even eternal happiness and glory is the right one. He wouldn't want anyone to be healed by the power of the priesthood as proof that there is real and tangible power in the priesthood.

Instead God apparently wants Muslims and Catholics and Hindus to have exactly the same types of evidence for the truthfulness of their beliefs as we do for ours (peace and spiritual experiences). That way he can judge us fairly, and he can really separate the wheat from the chaff.

God really loves to reward those chosen few who were born in Utah and raised in TBM families with huge amounts of social pressure to be active and believing, and punish those who were born in Iran and raised in loving Muslim families and communities who taught them to believe and practice Islam. All those silly Muslims thinking they need to pray 5 times a day! Ridiculous. What a waste of their time and energy when they should be reading conference talks, ministering, and attending stake priesthood leadership training.

God wouldn't want to actually give any evidence to help with missionary work and convince people that his one true church is true. It is important for his true disciples to experience lots of mockery and rejection so that they can be strong. The flagging growth of his one true church is just a sign of how special his true followers really are.

Blind faith is super important to God. He loves and rewards people who just believe whatever they are told without thinking about the evidence or comparing and contrasting their experiences with others. He loves those who follow their leaders without question or doubt.

God really only cares and focuses his time on the 00.1% of the population that has and practices his one truth (about 7 million in the world's 7 billion population). Everybody else is just background for his real work and glory. To bring about the immortality and eternal life of this one in a 1000 of his beloved children. He could save the rest, but if he gave them more evidence it would be taking away their free agency.

John G. wrote: ↑Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:42 pm
But, I know its been a while, but in my youth Vaughn Featherstone gave a conference talk about a worthy priesthood holder using the priesthood to raise his son from the dead! That’s a pretty big miracle in my book!

Fratherstone’s talk is still on the Lds.org website so it hasn’t been recanted.... They really should talk about that miracle more! Jesus raised a dead person and we are still talking about it 2000 years later!

I wonder why they don’t....I hope its not because Featherstone lied! I grew up with that stuff! My parents, grandparents all watched conference. You don’t think the church propagated, and still has on lds.org, a LIE do you? People make life decisions on these conference talks! People pay 10% of their income based on these talks!

This is a summary of Featherstone’s talk:

https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comme ... ks_vaughn/

Besides the obviously untrue story about raising a son from the dead with the Priesthood, this may well be the creepiest talk ever given in the history of creepy General Authority talks. When you can cover masturbation and fat shaming in a single talk, and call it “A Self-Inflicted Purging” to top it all off, you are a real piece of work. Wonder why this one hasn’t gone down the memory hole yet.

If you haven't read it, get ready to pick your jaw up off the floor.

Not Buying It wrote:

John G. wrote: ↑Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:42 pm
But, I know its been a while, but in my youth Vaughn Featherstone gave a conference talk about a worthy priesthood holder using the priesthood to raise his son from the dead! That’s a pretty big miracle in my book!

Fratherstone’s talk is still on the Lds.org website so it hasn’t been recanted.... They really should talk about that miracle more! Jesus raised a dead person and we are still talking about it 2000 years later!

I wonder why they don’t....I hope its not because Featherstone lied! I grew up with that stuff! My parents, grandparents all watched conference. You don’t think the church propagated, and still has on lds.org, a LIE do you? People make life decisions on these conference talks! People pay 10% of their income based on these talks!

This is a summary of Featherstone’s talk:

https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comme ... ks_vaughn/

Besides the obviously untrue story about raising a son from the dead with the Priesthood, this may well be the creepiest talk ever given in the history of creepy General Authority talks. When you can cover masturbation and fat shaming in a single talk, and call it “A Self-Inflicted Purging” to top it all off, you are a real piece of work. Wonder why this one hasn’t gone down the memory hole yet.

If you haven't read it, get ready to pick your jaw up off the floor.

Holy crap, I can't believe they still have that up on the site. The cola drinks part is highly entertaining.

Not Buying It wrote: ↑Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:57 pm If you haven't read it, get ready to pick your jaw up off the floor.

Holy fudge, what a gem.

GoodBoy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:05 pm Blind faith is super important to God. He loves and rewards people who just believe whatever they are told without thinking about the evidence or comparing and contrasting their experiences with others. He loves those who follow their leaders without question or doubt.

That sounds so cynical. How about, "God loves those who consume hot fudge sundaes and Masterpiece Mysteries on PBS". Or better yet, God loves all of us. It's time we allow God some really positive virtues.

Not Buying It wrote: ↑Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:57 pm If you haven't read it, get ready to pick your jaw up off the floor.

This talk has EVERYTHING! Masturbation, fat shaming, Adam-God doctrine (he refers to it as a theory), BS miracle; wow, he must REALLY hate it when people leave a meeting early. I even watched the video after reading it to hear him actually saying that stuff!

At least GC used to be entertaining before the internet; now you can't even tell a good mission "miracle" (Holland) story without it being debunked. So now we have to have more faith to NOT have a miracle happen. Stories where NO miracle happens are easier to fact check and stand up to scrutiny better.

Like the church video about TSM miraculously finding the time to go and bless a terminally ill girl (in Louisiana I think), who then dies soon after. Multiple people are on the video attesting to the fact that TSM did in fact take time from his busy schedule to bless the girl. Not to demean TSM; he did a good thing that I'm sure brought a measure of peace to the family dealing with a heartbreaking situation. But the family was clearly expecting a miraculous apostolic healing blessing that didn't happen. The "miracle" was that TSM was able to find the time to give the healing blessing... that was 100% ineffective.

So where is Featherstone's friend that can raise someone from the dead because he didn't masturbate or look at porn or leave a meeting early? I guess if the friend had had MORE faith, the son wouldn't have been healed. So I guess if you really want to heal someone, you have to have sort of a mid-range level of righteousness. If you masturbate and leave meetings early, no healing. If you have super-duper faith and righteousness like an apostle, EVEN the faith to NOT be healed, no healing. Gotta hit that middle area sweet spot.

Fortunately i have found the faith to not believe in the infallibility of the LDS Church and its leaders.

Yeah, that talk is a real gem. That said, it was pretty much standard attitude in the branch I was in when I joined in the 80’s.

Was “self-inflicted purging” referring to masturbation specifically?