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Well, Red Ryder, you asked for it - a long time ago, in a thread I've lost track of. :D This is how the church helps you "choose" to consecrate everything to the church, and if you're a woman to make asymmetric obedience covenants, in order to be exalted. It's similar to how eight-year-olds "choose" to be baptized. We all danced on strings the whole time.

Joseph's importing of Freemasonry's death threats gave the social control a healthy start. IMO, other things that strengthened it were the introduction of worthiness interviews during the Mormon reformation, geographical isolation in Utah, ideological isolation because of polygamy, President Grant's OCD, and creative and altogether un-Christian use of doctrines about purity and authority.

Members who easily conform and have families in the church rarely notice the control, so they usually don't know it's there. In fact, much of it feels affirming to them. This includes leaders, who also have incentive to maintain the power structure. Nobody seems to know how strong the control is until they try to resist it. Members who resist tend to have no influence in the church, or tend to lose their influence. And of course, it's all God's will, so nobody questions it.

Thus, it grows and grows, and nobody in power thinks to ask whether what they think of as normal influence is actually manipulation.

Let's do this.

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You're never told the wording of the temple covenants until you make them because they're "sacred." Thus, control by deceptive reframing and withholding critical information begins sometime before baptism, and continues as you learn only devotional history.

At your baptismal interview, you're conditioned to let a man judge whether God thinks you're good enough. The interview questions are invasive (asking about abortion, serious crime, and chastity - they used to ask about bestiality!) and therefore punch holes in sensible personal boundaries. This begins the fusion of your identity with Mormonism. Fusion has many effects, but one of the most extensive is that it internalizes Mormonism's attitudes, good and bad. This makes the controlling attitudes hard or impossible to notice.

Authority figures, beginning with interviewers, always wear suits and often sit behind desks in nice offices. Their greater formality emphasizes their higher status, which makes you more compliant.

Mormonism defines your life. If there's a conflict between what you want and what Mormonism wants, Mormonism must win. This continues the fusion of your identity with Mormonism.

You are taught that Mormonism is the most important thing in the universe and is superior to everything. If you buy into this, the self-esteem you get from being a member can be incredible. It increases with your certainty in the church's claims and with the extent your identity is fused with Mormonism. You therefore can become highly invested in aggrandizing the church.

You are taught that nothing really matters except as it furthers Mormonism, individually and collectively. If you buy into this, you become certain that the church is your only reason for living and only source of happiness, giving church leaders tremendous leverage over you.

Many active Mormons are so dependent on the church being superior that they reactively protect their investment in their aggrandized regard for it with aggression. Further, they proactively protect their investment using persecution narratives and dire warnings about faith-destroying "lies." Thus, criticism is taboo at best, and is at worst a sign of deception by Satan. Church leaders feed this attitude by demonizing healthy doubt. If you internalize this attitude, you live in an echo chamber, further cementing every pro-Mormon attitude, including this one. If you don't internalize it, you still help other people live in an echo chamber.

Every endowed member says how awesome the temple is. Some might admit that it's a little weird, but all are constrained by social norms (internalized or not) against not speaking glowingly of Mormonism's highest achievements. Also, cognitive dissonance comes into play: it cost a lot to do it - not just in money - so it must have been worth it, right? At any rate, that's all you hear, so you expect it to be amazing. You want to go.

You are taught that every good feeling experienced by almost every human on the planet - especially peace, safety, happiness, love, connection, belonging, awe, wonder, joy, flow, and others characterized by positive self-transcendence or the absence of fear - are signs from God. If you buy into this, you suppress and avoid negative feelings that could help you determine that something isn't right in Mormonism. (And you might make public claims that become the butt of jokes among the disaffected about threesomes with the Holy Ghost.) You also interpret every good experience using a Mormon worldview, further fusing your identity with it. If you don't have those good feelings often enough, you desperately try to be more Mormon - i.e. be more obedient - in order to reclaim them.

You are taught to follow the prophet because he can't lead you astray. You're taught that the right way to deal with doubt that a commandment or suggestion is from God is to study and pray until you know that it is. Nobody admits that the prophet could be or has ever been substantively wrong about anything in particular. If you're heavily invested in the church being superior to everything, you wouldn't believe it, anyway. Some members admit that prophets sometimes speak "as men," which assuages individual and collective guilt over dishonesty.

In general, the burden to trust church leaders is placed entirely on you. They speak for God, after all, who is the source of all goodness and truth. Thus, they can get you to do anything simply by demanding more of your trust. Fortunately, their self-image as representatives of a loving God keeps them from getting you to do anything most people would regard as evil.

The church arbitrarily defines a boundary between "worthy" and "unworthy" members, and grants worthy members special privileges, status and respect - presumably on behalf of God himself. You really want to be worthy, especially if the church is everything to you. Everyone else seems to want you to be worthy, too. You pay a lot of money for it. You submit to invasive judgment for it. You would do almost anything you could be convinced is good for it.

On the day you're endowed, you have an escort or two who have already been through, and possibly many family members with you, who expect you to conform like they did. The day you're endowed is probably the day you're married or the day before you're set apart as a missionary, so you can't back out without disappointing everyone important to you. The endowment is much weirder than the rest of Mormonism, which throws you off balance, making you more compliant. You have no opportunity to back out of the covenants. You're simply told to repeat the words and bow your head and say "yes," and you're given three seconds to do it. This is all textbook psychological manipulation, whether you notice it or not.

You're given secrets to keep, which makes you feel extra special within the most important organization in the universe, but Mormon doublethink allows you to feel "humbled." You're also afforded the special privileges, status and respect that come from being endowed - and you humble-brag to yourself and others about this, too. You're thus recruited by undetected flattery into the Society of Mormons Who Manipulate Other Mormons. You start by reframing your new shared secret as sacred and withholding critical information. The more you act on the church's behalf to control others, the more invested you become in the rightness of what you're doing, and the less you classify what you're doing as control - if by the end of your endowment you could have done so, anyway.

Don't even get me started on proselyting missions.

Fin.

*****

Here's the weirdest thing to me: I really don't think all that control is intentional, just pathological.

We all choose what information to share based on what we think is representative and convincing. We even have a hard time remembering information that doesn't support our attitudes. The problem with the church in this regard is one of degree: Mormons' extreme regard for it and the pathological needs that regard engenders.

Identity fusion is the natural result of very high group cohesion. Most of us have personal identities that are fused with our family identities, for example. It's this that allows us to sacrifice so much for our children, even our own lives if necessary, even if we're typically selfish turds. The problem with the church in this regard is misapplication. Identity fusion is rarely healthy outside of family relationships. Sometimes it's unhealthy within them.

Everyone wants to feel good about belonging to a group. People tend to adopt the attitudes of the groups they belong to. Effective groups function hierarchically. Status and respect give leaders authority. Leaders usually have a more abstract but more complete view of things. Sometimes followers have to set themselves aside and just go along because it's more important that they're in harmony than that they're right. Dial all that stuff up to 11, and you've got the church.

For perspective, if you dial it up to 13, you've got the Jehovah's Witnesses.

All the manipulation surrounding the endowment, though? That's just cultish. You have to be indoctrinated and sworn to secrecy to let that slide. But because of that, it's still not intentional, at least after Joseph Smith or Brigham Young.
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Members who easily conform and have families in the church rarely notice the control, so they usually don't know it's there. In fact, much of it feels affirming to them. This includes leaders, who also have incentive to maintain the power structure. Nobody seems to know how strong the control is until they try to resist it. Members who resist tend to have no influence in the church, or tend to lose their influence. And of course, it's all God's will, so nobody questions it.
This is an important point and one that shouldn’t get lost in the rest of the post. It describes my parents and in-laws pretty perfectly.

If I were to point out the control to either, not only would they not question it, they would defend it. As you noted, it’s God’s will.

It wasn’t until I started to notice that all of the doctrines (and policies) of the church are designed to point us back to the church as the source of truth.

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Excellent analysis and observations here.

The only thing I could add is that in a nutshell it seems awfully close to being cult-like. A truly psychological form of enslavement. But pretty hard to detect from the inside.

Insidious.
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Palerider wrote: Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:02 pm Excellent analysis and observations here.

The only thing I could add is that in a nutshell it seems awfully close to being cult-like. A truly psychological form of enslavement. But pretty hard to detect from the inside.

Insidious.
All true. I can't call the church a bona fide cult, either, but I'm willing to use strong language to describe how it treats its members.

I think most of the things written - including my analysis here - that could lead people to think of the church as an actual cult don't really drive home a couple of critical ideas.

1. Most mechanisms of influence the church engages in happen everywhere as a normal part of group dynamics and psychological influence, and we think nothing of it.

2. For many mechanisms, the church goes to an extreme. It might even use more mechanisms than most groups.

At some point in our faith journeys, we considered the influence of these mechanisms individually and in sum, said "it's wrong to treat a human being like that," and called it "control." Why did we do that? Humanity in different areas and at different times has drawn that line in different places. We currently draw that line in different places based on context; e.g. family vs. military vs. employer vs. friends, etc.

Something changed. I know for me, one thing that changed is that I stopped shouldering all of the burden of trusting the church. Another is that I stopped internalizing its collective wants.

Just had a thought. I wonder how often members tend to put The Church in its own special "The One and Only True Church" context when determining whether its influence is okay. For example, I can't imagine that most Mormons would be fine with the Governing Body demanding that Jehovah's Witnesses trust them no matter what, but they're okay with Mormon leaders doing the same thing. Is it because they haven't thought of it that way, or because in The One and Only True Church, Mormon leaders have a right to do it? Or both?
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Reuben wrote: Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:19 am Just had a thought. I wonder how often members tend to put The Church in its own special "The One and Only True Church" context when determining whether its influence is okay. For example, I can't imagine that most Mormons would be fine with the Governing Body demanding that Jehovah's Witnesses trust them no matter what, but they're okay with Mormon leaders doing the same thing. Is it because they haven't thought of it that way, or because in The One and Only True Church, Mormon leaders have a right to do it? Or both?
Just look at the TBM mistrust of government for another example. Most members aren't willing to take anything coming from the government at face value unless the person speaking shares their values or, at the very least, their party affiliation.

As for why they give the church leadership a free pass, it's because they're inspired by God. I think most members will acknowledge that the leadership are not infallible, but they'll follow it up quickly with an acknowledgement that they follow them anyway. FIL sent a letter to DW doing just that. He can acknowledge that the leaders are human and make mistakes. He immediately reminded her that we're all human and make mistakes, but that the leadership of the church are in tune with the spirit and are God's appointed mouthpieces, so we follow them anyway.

The Governing Body of JW don't fall into that category, since TBM's don't believe it, so they're willing to point at the GB and say that you shouldn't follow them if they teach incorrect doctrine. If the TBM in question is paying attention to the current attitude of the church, they'll acknowledge that JW"s have some truth, and they're not all bad, but they don't have the restored truth.
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Reuben wrote: Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:25 pm Thus, it grows and grows, and nobody in power thinks to ask whether what they think of as normal influence is actually manipulation.
I just realized that this gives the wrong impression that the church's influence over its members only grows. That's just not true.

It's okay to say "no" to callings in many places now.

Sexism has largely changed from malevolent to benevolent. (Yay, progress. :()

Mormons are less isolated from the rest of the world than they were in the 1800s.

The endowment no longer makes members swear to kill themselves or let themselves be killed if they divulge things.

The God-awful "if the prophet tells you to do something that's wrong, do it anyway and you'll be blessed" rhetoric has been drastically toned down.

The God-awful teachings that value virginity above life are mostly gone.

Proselyting missions are becoming less like actual cults. (Still are, though.)

Caffeine. Fake yay.

The Internet has been stealing the church's influence. Actual yay!
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Well written, and honestly hard for me to read. Hard, because with each paragraph comes the reality that I wasted 40 years of my life in this cult. To me this thesis screams cult because of my life experiences with feeling trapped and unable to breathe under the pressure for conform.
Reuben wrote: Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:25 pm On the day you're endowed, you have an escort or two who have already been through, and possibly many family members with you, who expect you to conform like they did. The day you're endowed is probably the day you're married or the day before you're set apart as a missionary, so you can't back out without disappointing everyone important to you. The endowment is much weirder than the rest of Mormonism, which throws you off balance, making you more compliant. You have no opportunity to back out of the covenants. You're simply told to repeat the words and bow your head and say "yes," and you're given three seconds to do it. This is all textbook psychological manipulation, whether you notice it or not.

You're given secrets to keep, which makes you feel extra special within the most important organization in the universe, but Mormon doublethink allows you to feel "humbled." You're also afforded the special privileges, status and respect that come from being endowed - and you humble-brag to yourself and others about this, too. You're thus recruited by undetected flattery into the Society of Mormons Who Manipulate Other Mormons. You start by reframing your new shared secret as sacred and withholding critical information. The more you act on the church's behalf to control others, the more invested you become in the rightness of what you're doing, and the less you classify what you're doing as control - if by the end of your endowment you could have done so, anyway.
My temple experience was just like this. I went through the same day as my sister's for her wedding. I was preparing to leave on my mission a few months later. I could not believe my whole family dressed up like this and performed these bizarre rituals and did it all willingly and with a straight face, and expected me to go along. Yet I did go along... for 2 decades before I said enough is enough.
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Well done!

One fundamental element in this process of nonconsensual exaltation is time. For most of us this means we've been indoctrinated from the very beginning of our existence. From the very moment our father's sperm united with our mother's egg on that cold winter night while they lay naked and out of breath on their used mattress in their Wymount Terrace apartment at BYU!

10 minutes after conception, they both are up putting on the garment of the holy priesthood, getting dressed in their flannel pajamas, then saying their couples prayer, and closing their eyes to get rest before the Sabbath day begins.

1 week after conception, they are sitting in church listening to the sacrament hymn, singing softly as the deacons prepare to pass the sacrament. Mother unknowingly is nourishing your week old fetus with the morsel of white bread blessed in remembrance of Christ. A man whom you will be expected to develop an intimate spiritual relationship with while devoting your entire life to his "church" on earth.

37 more weeks of growth continue with your body and brain development recognizing the daily routine of prayer, scripture study, and emotional outbursts when mother's crazy visiting teacher and mother in law set her over the edge. You're watching as if a God in embryo suspended while waiting to begin your time on earth.

By the time we are born in the covenant, our brains have been prepped for Mormonism during our development in the womb.

By the age of 18 we have already spent thousands of hours being indoctrinated by the process which is the basis of the affirming "feels good" in your description below.
Reuben wrote:Members who easily conform and have families in the church rarely notice the control, so they usually don't know it's there. In fact, much of it feels affirming to them. This includes leaders, who also have incentive to maintain the power structure. Nobody seems to know how strong the control is until they try to resist it. Members who resist tend to have no influence in the church, or tend to lose their influence. And of course, it's all God's will, so nobody questions it.
We have literally been born and bread into this system of nonconsensual exaltation! This is why it's extremely difficult to leave. Mormonism is in our DNA. For most of us, we never had a choice!
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crossmyheart wrote: Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:59 am My temple experience was just like this. I went through the same day as my sister's for her wedding. I was preparing to leave on my mission a few months later. I could not believe my whole family dressed up like this and performed these bizarre rituals and did it all willingly and with a straight face, and expected me to go along. Yet I did go along... for 2 decades before I said enough is enough.
My experience was nearly the same. I was leaving on a mission and found myself looking around as my parents, grandparents, and a couple of close friends put on this "outfit" and performed this pantomime suicide all around me. I was waiting for someone to point out that this would look objectively bizarre if an outsider was watching. I had my first thought that I just might be in a cult. In general, I would not call the LDS church a cult, but it was not easy to avoid that thought at the point the recorded speaker gets to the phrase, "...the right hand, with the fingers close together and the thumb extended."

This was not even the weirdest part of the day since it was preceeded by my first initiatory experience. At a certain point that you likely all recognize, I literally remember looking at the ordinance worker and thinking, "Hold on, buster. You better be real specific about where you think you are putting that oil anointed finger."

This is humorous in retrospect. By then we get to the final, sacred promise we make in the temple. It's the promise for consecration of all we have, or have been blessed with, or may be blessed with, and even our own lives. I had heard the glowing discussions of consecration from seminary and Sunday School about how it was the perfect form of social order in God's economy. At that point in the temple I was already confused and trying to process everything, but I was prepared to commit my life in service to Jesus Christ.

But no, you promise everything to the church, the LDS church, and not to Jesus. Don't give me that song and dance about the "One True Church Upon the Face of the Whole Earth". That's a giant assumption and I was clearly on edge intellectually at that point. For my own mental survival, I made the promise and went on.

Could I have walked out right then? The text of the endowment says you technically can, but we all know the monumental social pressure to remain there. The first experience through a full temple endowment is for one of two reasons probably 99% of time: Mission or Marriage. Are you in any emotional or social position to make a different choice at that point? No, not as a teenager about to go on a mission or a soon-to-be spouse. The frustration, embarassment, and disappointment from family and fiance, would be a cataclysm. You could be abandoned socially (and maybe literally) if you don't agree.

So there I was pushing down all of my fears and I drank that bitter cup for the sake of my family and my own sense of identity. And here I am now still needing to process this, but entirely unable to share it with either family or believing friends.
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crossmyheart wrote: Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:59 am Well written, and honestly hard for me to read. Hard, because with each paragraph comes the reality that I wasted 40 years of my life in this cult. To me this thesis screams cult because of my life experiences with feeling trapped and unable to breathe under the pressure for conform.
The thing that makes me want to call the church a cult is best summed up in a verse written by a poet more talented than I could hope to become.
Well your faith was strong but you needed proof
You saw her bathing on the roof
Her beauty and the moonlight overthrew ya
She tied you to a kitchen chair
And she broke your throne and she cut your hair
And from your lips she drew the Hallelujah
Once I gave her an inch, she took 30 years. Yeah, a lot of it felt good. But it was never about me. It was always about her.

Mostly. I think.
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Corsair wrote: Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:20 am My experience was nearly the same. I was leaving on a mission and found myself looking around as my parents, grandparents, and a couple of close friends put on this "outfit" and performed this pantomime suicide all around me. I was waiting for someone to point out that this would look objectively bizarre if an outsider was watching. I had my first thought that I just might be in a cult. In general, I would not call the LDS church a cult, but it was not easy to avoid that thought at the point the recorded speaker gets to the phrase, "...the right hand, with the fingers close together and the thumb extended."
For me, I don't think I processed much of it the first time around. I was so worried about the quiz at the end I was just trying to memorize the handshakes and names of everything.

It was not for several more years that I decided not to participate in the prayer circle anymore because it felt "culty", which is the word that entered my mind at the time. It took a lot longer for me to actually arrive at the conclusion that the whole thing was weird, but I am glad I figured it out eventually. The last two times I went into the temple was for ward temple trips. We watched some friends' kids outside, but I decided on the first trip that I didn't want to go through the endowment. So DW and I did sealings instead. Made me feel warm and fuzzy, mostly because it brought back memories of how I felt when we were sealed the first time. The last time I went, they needed adults in the baptistry, so I opted for that. I didn't even get dressed to get wet though, I played recorder for the entire time.
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IT_Veteran wrote: Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:40 pm
It was not for several more years that I decided not to participate in the prayer circle anymore because it felt "culty", which is the word that entered my mind at the time.
Funny, I was an RM dating a young woman just getting ready to leave on her mission and she asked me, "If the prayer circle is the "true order of prayer", what am I doing every night when I kneel and pray at the edge of my bed before retiring?"

I didn't have an answer then. But I do now. 8-)
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Palerider wrote: Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:56 pm
IT_Veteran wrote: Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:40 pm
It was not for several more years that I decided not to participate in the prayer circle anymore because it felt "culty", which is the word that entered my mind at the time.
Funny, I was an RM dating a young woman just getting ready to leave on her mission and she asked me, "If the prayer circle is the "true order of prayer", what am I doing every night when I kneel and pray at the edge of my bed before retiring?"

I didn't have an answer then. But I do now. 8-)
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crossmyheart wrote: Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:59 am Well written, and honestly hard for me to read. Hard, because with each paragraph comes the reality that I wasted 40 years of my life in this cult. To me this thesis screams cult because of my life experiences with feeling trapped and unable to breathe under the pressure for conform.
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