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Red Ryder wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 5:26 pm She knew he was a quite the oral cunning linguist and possibly dictated the whole thing.

Kalikala wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 4:45 pm I’ve spent too much time with my nose in books today. I’m trying to put together an email on polygamy and in rereading so many of these sources I’m filled with so much anger and grief. I wish I could give Emma a big hug and hold her while she cried. She endured so much.

Kalikala wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 4:45 pm Also, I can’t even read apologist writings anymore without feeling sick. I feel no joy today.

moksha wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 8:00 pm

Red Ryder wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 5:26 pm She knew he was a quite the oral cunning linguist and possibly dictated the whole thing.

Historian Colonel Angus would most likely agree with your analysis, but his fellow historian Felice EiIattto might describe him as a blowhard.

Kalikala wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 4:45 pm Also, I can’t even read apologist writings anymore without feeling sick. I feel no joy today.

græy wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 8:55 am

moksha wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 8:00 pm Historian Colonel Angus would most likely agree with your analysis, but his fellow historian Felice EiIattto might describe him as a blowhard.

Wait a second... what are we talking about here?

“Did Emma, the elect lady, come to your house and complain about Joseph?”

“No. She never came to my house for that purpose. But I met her sometimes on the street and then she used to complain, especially because of the girls whom Joseph kept in the house, devoting his attention to them. You have overrated her, she was dishonest.”

“Do you mean to say that she was so outside of the influence Joseph had over her?”

“Yes, that is exactly what I mean. Let me tell you a case that will be full proof to you. Soon after my arrive in Nauvoo the two L[awrence] girls came to the holy city, two very young girls, 15 to 17 years of age. They had been converted in Canada, were orphans and worth about $8000 in English gold. Joseph got to be appointed their Guardian, probably with the help of Dr. Bennett. He naturally put the gold in his pocket and had the Girls sealed to him. He asked me to go on his bond as a guardian, as Sidney Rigdon had done. “It is only a formality,” he said. Foolishly enough, and not yet suspecting anything, I put my name on the paper. Emma complained about Joseph’s living with the L[awrence] girls, but not very violently. It is my conviction that she was his full accomplice, that she was not a bit better than he. When I saw how things went I should have taken steps to be released of that bond, but I never thought of it. After Joseph’s death, A. W. Babbitt became guardian of the two girls. He asked Emma for a settlement about the $8000. Emma said she had nothing to do with her husband’s debts. Now Babbitt asked for the books and she gave them to him. Babbitt found that Joseph had counted an expense of about $3000 for board and clothing of the girls. Now Babbitt wanted the $5000 that was to be paid Babbitt, who was a straight, good, honest, sincere man, set about to find out property to pay the $5000 with. He could find none. Two splendid farms near Nauvoo, a big brick house, worth from $3000 to $4000, the hotel kept by Joe, a mass of vacant town lots, all were in Emma’s name, not transferred later, but transferred from the beginning. She always looked out for her part. When I saw how things stood I wrote to Babbitt to take hold of all the property left by me in Nauvoo and of all claims held by me again in people in Nauvoo. And so the debt was paid by me–Emma didn’t pay a cent.”