The long, dark night

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Reuben
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The long, dark night

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My therapist suggested writing my story. It's been super helpful so far.

The writing I did today turned out to be an essay in the middle of the narrative. I thought some of you might be interested.

The long, dark night refers to depression, that terrible disease that, when it strikes religious folks, often makes them feel as if they're cut off from God. The idea of the "thick darkness where God is" comes from Exodus 20:21.

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Some people experience a long, dark night of the soul. Mother Teresa famously spent more than the last 50 years of her life feeling no contact with the divine. Among religious people, the possibility of this happening is frightening. It’s often explained as a test, or as a chance to prove their faith.

I think this idea is bullshit. It’s motivated by need, not truth. To see this, you don’t need to look beyond the fact that each of the thousands of religions in the world define passing the test in terms of sticking to that religion.

But let’s take a look at the needs that motivate the idea anyway.

Suppose the idea is put forward by someone who has never experienced the long, dark night of the soul. They’re almost certainly saying it to maintain their conviction that God is accessible, compassionate, and above all exists. This conviction so easily falters in the face of the terrible night.

Mormons in particular are heavily invested in the idea that God always answers prayers, at least to provide comfort, if one meets the preconditions and is patient. So if you’ve met the preconditions, then maybe... maybe you just need to wait a little longer. God must be testing you. Don’t fail your test, bro. I’ll feel better watching you struggle if you struggle in a way that validates me. Maintain my faith for me, okay? Thanks.

Suppose the idea is put forward by someone who is currently in that awful night. This is how they maintain hope that their hopelessness means something, and that it might end.

Suppose the idea is put forward by someone who has been through it. I think this is somewhat unlikely, because they know for themselves that “God is testing you” so often comes across as flippant and dismissive to those in the thick darkness. But if they do put the idea of an extended trial of faith forward, it’s only because that’s how they justify having had their own dark night.

What if the long, dark night is a test of character? Sure, it’s possible. But does it really have to have an objective purpose? And if so, why a test?

Even if I can’t say that my long, dark nights had an objective purpose, I can tell you their effects. The third time I emerged, I was unable to believe the truth claims of any religion at all. However, I was determined to follow Jesus, and anyone or anything else I decided for myself demonstrates a spark of the divine. I emerged from that long, dark night with the Mormonism torn away. In its place, I sewed in a faith more tangible, flexible, understanding and accepting.

Do you have a religion? Suppose that I’m a member of it, and that your religion was torn away from me instead of Mormonism. Did I fail the test of the long, dark night? Am I a second-class member of your religion now? Am I someone to be pitied, fixed or feared? If so, I want as little to do with your religion’s rigid, self-centered, judgmental, needy god as possible.

If the long, dark night of the soul must have an objective purpose, maybe it would be best to not speculate. Maybe, if God really is out there in the thick darkness, we should let him teach whatever lessons he wants to teach, or make whatever changes he wants to make, and then accept the results. If God waits for some of us in the night, maybe we should assume that he understands what he's doing better than we do.
Learn to doubt the stories you tell about yourselves and your adversaries.
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Great post, thank you for sharing your feelings here.
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That's a great post, Reuben. Sunday School is no place to discuss the long, dark night of the soul. The correlated lesson manuals are unable to grasp that kind of spiritual winnowing. It looks too much like treading into apostasy due to the high probability of losing belief in the LDS church. Unfortunately, the institutional LDS church fundamentally insists that true faith in Jesus Christ functionally leads to faith and obedience to the institutional LDS church. The incredible risk of evolving beyond the LDS church is too much for them to tolerate.
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Awesome post Reuben!
Reuben wrote: Thu May 10, 2018 4:59 pm
If the long, dark night of the soul must have an objective purpose, maybe it would be best to not speculate. Maybe, if God really is out there in the thick darkness, we should let him teach whatever lessons he wants to teach, or make whatever changes he wants to make, and then accept the results. If God waits for some of us in the night, maybe we should assume that he understands what he's doing better than we do.
In the Goddess traditions of Paganism, dark nights of the soul are times when we work with the dark goddesses to learn things about ourselves and or lives. It's seen as a retreat, a descent. It's not a mark of shame. It's not something to fear, it's something to embrace.

Side note: Depression is a medical condition and should be treated by heath care professionals.
...walked eye-deep in hell
believing in old men’s lies...--Ezra Pound
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Reuben wrote: Thu May 10, 2018 4:59 pm
Do you have a religion? Suppose that I’m a member of it, and that your religion was torn away from me instead of Mormonism. Did I fail the test of the long, dark night? Am I a second-class member of your religion now? Am I someone to be pitied, fixed or feared? If so, I want as little to do with your religion’s rigid, self-centered, judgmental, needy god as possible.
Another quote for my NOM hall of fame :D Thanks for sharing.
When an honest man discovers he is mistaken, he will either cease to be mistaken or cease to be honest. -anon
The belief that there is only one truth, and that oneself is in possession of it, is the root of all evil in the world. -Max Born
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Great post. Especially that section that Wesley, we the DP Roberts quoted.
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