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IT_Veteran wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:22 am They don't specify what actual abuse took place, or if it was just inappropriate attention with clothes and jewelry (unless I missed that).

President Newsroom wrote:Look everybody! Here's an example of LDS-Inc. actually taking the right steps with a sexual predator mission president. Pay no attention to that sexual predator mission president named Bishop that we've been protecting/enabling for ~30 years

And trusted priesthood leaders play a key role in recommending “worthy and honorable” men to serve as Mormon mission presidents, he explained. Once these local leaders, who know them best, sign off, the nominees undergo “a searching interview with a general authority.”

Philander Knox Smartt III is an attorney from Alabama. He is 43 years old, has two young daughters and lovely wife whom we have not yet met, and has enormous amounts of energy. He was so frustrated with trying to work with the LIAT airline dysfunctionality after trying for three weeks to get on a flight to St Kitts, that he has sent for his airplane. He said he will now be able to leave San Juan after breakfast, travel to any of the islands, and be back to the office for lunch. LIAT would win anybody’s contest for most dysfunctional airline on the planet. Even flying space-A with the military would be more predictable.

President Smartt has a very different philosophy about senior missionary couples and how we are to be treated and used in the mission. Before, we were just considered to be missionaries like the younger models, so the transfers would come with a day’s notice, and nobody ever asked what we would like to get out of this missionary experience. We were expected to do and report the things that the bean counters were asking from the YFTM (that means Young Full-Time Missionaries.) We have kids who want to come and visit us, which is not only allowed but encouraged by the Brethren, but we could not tell anybody where we will be at Christmas time or any time in the future, for that matter, because the moves were not planned out more than a day. So the kids can’t purchase their tickets when there might be a discount available because they might buy a ticket for Nevis and we might be on Dominica or anywhere else. Pres Smartt changed all that immediately. He asked us where we would like to serve and what we would like to do! We were amazed. We told him that we will serve wherever he wants us, but that we would like to let our kids know where we will be. He immediately said, “You need to be in St Thomas. You will go there in early October.” And presto! the uncertainty and panic and all those other negative emotions that we have been feeling for months all went away.

President Smartt has brought in the elders who were serving in the islands and replaced them with sisters. That was an inspired move, but the vehicle that the elders had been driving was given to the old couple being sent to Nevis (us), which left the sisters without wheels. They tried to get the bikes the elders never rode fixed up, but when they tried to ride them they could not even reach the pedals! So they have been walking everywhere. Now they will have the RAV4 that Sister Mangum has been driving (Elder Mangum cannot drive), we will be over there with the Toyota Hilux 4WD, 4-door, turbo diesel truck that somebody decided was absolutely essential to the success of the missionary effort here. Thus, the elders on Nevis will be on bikes. But President said he has no pity for them, and they will be fine.

Red Ryder wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:29 am And here's the part where it's not their (the GA's) fault:

And trusted priesthood leaders play a key role in recommending “worthy and honorable” men to serve as Mormon mission presidents, he explained. Once these local leaders, who know them best, sign off, the nominees undergo “a searching interview with a general authority.”

Palerider wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:26 pm

Red Ryder wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:29 am And here's the part where it's not their (the GA's) fault:

And trusted priesthood leaders play a key role in recommending “worthy and honorable” men to serve as Mormon mission presidents, he explained. Once these local leaders, who know them best, sign off, the nominees undergo “a searching interview with a general authority.”

This goes back to and underscores my point regarding earthly men evaluating the righteousness of members for ANY reason.

The temple recommend interview is a sham. The only place a sacred temple and worthy attendees exists is as a fantasy in the minds of leadership. It's never been about worthiness....it's always been about a perverted system of loyalty.

If these men possessed true or real priesthood from God, this crap wouldn't be happening.

Philander Knox Smartt III is an attorney from Alabama. He is 43 years old, has two young daughters and lovely wife whom we have not yet met, and has enormous amounts of energy. He was so frustrated with trying to work with the LIAT airline dysfunctionality after trying for three weeks to get on a flight to St Kitts, that he has sent for his airplane. He said he will now be able to leave San Juan after breakfast, travel to any of the islands, and be back to the office for lunch. LIAT would win anybody’s contest for most dysfunctional airline on the planet. Even flying space-A with the military would be more predictable.

President Smartt has a very different philosophy about senior missionary couples and how we are to be treated and used in the mission. Before, we were just considered to be missionaries like the younger models, so the transfers would come with a day’s notice, and nobody ever asked what we would like to get out of this missionary experience. We were expected to do and report the things that the bean counters were asking from the YFTM (that means Young Full-Time Missionaries.) We have kids who want to come and visit us, which is not only allowed but encouraged by the Brethren, but we could not tell anybody where we will be at Christmas time or any time in the future, for that matter, because the moves were not planned out more than a day. So the kids can’t purchase their tickets when there might be a discount available because they might buy a ticket for Nevis and we might be on Dominica or anywhere else. Pres Smartt changed all that immediately. He asked us where we would like to serve and what we would like to do! We were amazed. We told him that we will serve wherever he wants us, but that we would like to let our kids know where we will be. He immediately said, “You need to be in St Thomas. You will go there in early October.” And presto! the uncertainty and panic and all those other negative emotions that we have been feeling for months all went away.

Red Ryder wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:15 pm

President Smartt has brought in the elders who were serving in the islands and replaced them with sisters. That was an inspired move, but the vehicle that the elders had been driving was given to the old couple being sent to Nevis (us), which left the sisters without wheels. They tried to get the bikes the elders never rode fixed up, but when they tried to ride them they could not even reach the pedals! So they have been walking everywhere. Now they will have the RAV4 that Sister Mangum has been driving (Elder Mangum cannot drive), we will be over there with the Toyota Hilux 4WD, 4-door, turbo diesel truck that somebody decided was absolutely essential to the success of the missionary effort here. Thus, the elders on Nevis will be on bikes. But President said he has no pity for them, and they will be fine.

glass shelf wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:08 pm This guy's dad was my SP when I was a teen. I knew his younger kids, but this guy was already off doing mission/school/whatever. The dad was as hard-ass and hard-nose as they come. We had a stake youth committee with monthly meetings, all-day long stake youth events with more rules than you can imagine, etc.

One time, one of his Phil Smartt's (my SP, not this guy who is called Lanny) counselors gave a talk in stake conf about the time he was cold at work so he decided to get a hot chocolate from the vending machine. Apparently, some people asked him if it was coffee or he was worried it was coffee or some such nonsense, so he threw it out. Cue avoiding the appearing of evil nonsense. My mom and I talked about how absurd that talk was many times over the years even when we were both fully TBM.

wtfluff wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:03 am

IT_Veteran wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:22 am They don't specify what actual abuse took place, or if it was just inappropriate attention with clothes and jewelry (unless I missed that).

The "Mission President" was promptly excommunicated. My angry apostate confirmation bias tells me that there was more than just clothing and jewelry involved.




Does this whole thing sound like bait-and-switch to anyone else?

President Newsroom wrote:Look everybody! Here's an example of LDS-Inc. actually taking the right steps with a sexual predator mission president. Pay no attention to that sexual predator mission president named Bishop that we've been protecting/enabling for ~30 years

(Also: Don't think about (or pay attention to) the likelihood that there are many other instances of things like this where the victims were paid off and silenced. Oops, there's my confirmation bias showing through again. Or is that just Occam's Razor?)