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I am now listed as no calling, couldn’t enter the last hometeaching. They moved quickly. Access Denied.

Is this "good news" or "bad news" from your point of view?

Overall happy not to have the monthly forced visits. Reading the details however, it looks like all active members are now going to be interviewed about their ‘ministry’ every 3 months. This sounds like a much more rigorous PPI system, where the PPI is reported to church headquarters. Tons of work for leadership, and possibly more intrusive into my life.

Yep all stats are on the leaders shoulders. During my time as an EQP it was nigh impossible to interview everyone. Unless you pull people aside during class, this is going to be a big logistical burden.

FiveFingerMnemonic wrote:Yep all stats are on the leaders shoulders. During my time as an EQP it was nigh impossible to interview everyone. Unless you pull people aside during class, this is going to be a big logistical burden.

The high priest in charge can do it now.

"Close your eyes, for your eyes will only tell the truth,
And the truth isn't what you want to see" (Charles Hart, "The Music of the Night")

In a large ward this could be 10-12 visits a week, logistically a ton of work and a huge burden. The work will still involve more companionships, the young women are now assigned as well as the young men. Husbands and wives may be assigned as a team. More closed door interviews of youth possible?

Here’s a few answers to start memorizing in preparation of quarterly PPI’s.

Yes, I sent a few texts to my ministering families.
Yes, I waved at them walking by their house during the week.
Yes, I honked as I drove by.

Ministering, forcing friendships since 2018! Historical!

Red Ryder wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:16 am Here’s a few answers to start memorizing in preparation of quarterly PPI’s.

Yes, I sent a few texts to my ministering families.
Yes, I waved at them walking by their house during the week.
Yes, I honked as I drove by.

Ministering, forcing friendships since 2018! Historical!

My fear is that it won't be that easy. I think they are going to want to know how your families are doing, and what do they need. Even if your family does need something, I doubt they will be comfortable telling their new best MFF (Ministering Forced Friend)

LostMormon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:42 pm

Red Ryder wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:16 am Here’s a few answers to start memorizing in preparation of quarterly PPI’s.

Yes, I sent a few texts to my ministering families.
Yes, I waved at them walking by their house during the week.
Yes, I honked as I drove by.

Ministering, forcing friendships since 2018! Historical!

My fear is that it won't be that easy. I think they are going to want to know how your families are doing, and what do they need. Even if your family does need something, I doubt they will be comfortable telling their new best MFF (Ministering Forced Friend)

It'll be as easy or as hard as you make it. If there's anything I've learned since becoming disaffected, it's that the pressure to perform in church assignments is entirely self-created. If all you do is say hi in the hallway, and you say that in the interview, what's the EQP going to do? Maybe try to guilt you a bit (which you can ignore), maybe reassign you to another family he thinks is a better fit. But really there are no substantive consequences to be afraid of.

Unbroken wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 3:58 pm I am now listed as no calling, couldn’t enter the last hometeaching. They moved quickly. Access Denied.

I agree, they moved rather quickly. I too got the Access Denied blurb.
I hope I go way under the radar and never get another calling. That would suit me just fine.

I am going to pass judgment on the new Combined Priesthood Quorum thingy. I want to see how it plays out. I have a feeling some HP may see it as a demotion. What is going to be interesting, is what will need to be taught ? The needs of a HP are generally different than the typical Elder. But I will wait to see.

The new Ministering Visits, the same goes there.

Personally, I think the Church is making a mistake by making 2 major changes at the same time. I would have at least staggered them by the time next GC came around.

with regards to the ministering program, why not focus on those members who WANT and NEED this type of involvement from other church members. It is the height of silliness to assign every ward member a "minister," especially those who have specifically said they don't want one!

Archimedes wrote: ↑Wed Apr 04, 2018 11:10 am with regards to the ministering program, why not focus on those members who WANT and NEED this type of involvement from other church members. It is the height of silliness to assign every ward member a "minister," especially those who have specifically said they don't want one!

I have had this thought before: Home teaching should be an "opt-in" program. If you want home teachers, ask for them. If you want to do home teaching, volunteer.

COB/CAB LURKERS: I suggest the same for the re-branded-home-teaching (ministering) program.

sparky wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 2:35 pm It'll be as easy or as hard as you make it. If there's anything I've learned since becoming disaffected, it's that the pressure to perform in church assignments is entirely self-created. If all you do is say hi in the hallway, and you say that in the interview, what's the EQP going to do? Maybe try to guilt you a bit (which you can ignore), maybe reassign you to another family he thinks is a better fit. But really there are no substantive consequences to be afraid of.

Absolutely. My life got so much easier when I realized this. I still feel guilty at times, but I know that it's not real.

blazerb wrote: ↑Wed Apr 04, 2018 6:45 pm

sparky wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 2:35 pm It'll be as easy or as hard as you make it. If there's anything I've learned since becoming disaffected, it's that the pressure to perform in church assignments is entirely self-created. If all you do is say hi in the hallway, and you say that in the interview, what's the EQP going to do? Maybe try to guilt you a bit (which you can ignore), maybe reassign you to another family he thinks is a better fit. But really there are no substantive consequences to be afraid of.

Absolutely. My life got so much easier when I realized this. I still feel guilty at times, but I know that it's not real.

Totally agree. I spent several years just pleasantly saying "no" to every request, thinly veiled demand, etc. Once you realize you don't owe fealty to anyone, your mind can become remarkably free. Eventually, I just faded away.