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What types of personal information should you share with an LDS Bishop? If they are to act as a spiritual guide, then you would naturally want to be open and honest with them. If they are merely a person appointed to run your ward's business, then you wouldn't want to share personal information with them.

From what I've I heard from others, keeping confessional-type information confidential is haphazardly observed. Seems like that information is sometimes shared in an ever-widening circle of gossip.

Too much information might lead them to the sin of judgmentalism and make them think they are supposed to function as a judge Israel meting out punishment for sins, rather than allocating that to The Big Guy or lawfully empowered courts. That can make them forget to put down their stone and forgive.

Too bad there wasn't some absolution slot machine set up in the church foyer. Put in a dollar token that would be used to feed the poor, pull the handle, and hear the salvatory electronic words: "Absolved! Absolved!"

What are your thoughts on this matter?

moksha wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:19 pm What types of personal information should you share with an LDS Bishop?

Depends...
- how much and how often you drink the koolaid?
- do you enjoy being treated like a child?
- do you like being humiliated?
- do you believe your bishop is truly endowed with magical powers from the beyond?
- do you think there are real consequences in an afterlife if you don't disclose all the details of your natural penguin unworthiness?

Why tell your bishop anything? If you need advice, why go to someone the Church picked for you? Why not go to someone you trust of your own choosing? The Church’s pick may or may not be wise, knowledgeable, and discreet.

And never, ever, ever confess anything to a bishop under any circumstances.

Never tell a bishop anything.

Phil Lurkerman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:07 pmNever tell a bishop anything.

I'm with Phil!

Yep. Tell the bishop absolutely nothing. That is the correct answer.

Phil Lurkerman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:07 pm Never tell a bishop anything.

This gets my vote. And I felt this way back when I was mostly TBM. My TBM relatives also discussed this today and all agreed that confessing is a terrible idea.

Ok, so I still have members of my former ward approach me and call me BP and tell me how much they loved me as their bishop.

That being said, I recently spoke to my own interview with my current BP in which I didn’t confide a thing and would recommend that approach to all. Set your own boundaries and stick to your comfort zone. Share your deep feelings and intimate details only with loving friends or certified professionals.

Bishops, bless their hearts are just guys thrown into an impossible position by the church. Usually there is no or poorly executed training and then you are expected to be Jesus for your ward. Amongst these “guys” are some wolves among the sheep types who prey on others. I always hoped these were the few but as I look more closely there are just too many and the cover ups by the church is indefensible.

I used to be proud to be a RM and a former BP. Now it’s a bit like sea sickness.

wtfluff wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:10 pm

Phil Lurkerman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:07 pmNever tell a bishop anything.

I'm with Phil!

Yep. Tell the bishop absolutely nothing. That is the correct answer.

Yep. NOTHING. Ever.

Nothing gets my vote as well.

wtfluff wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:10 pm

Phil Lurkerman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:07 pmNever tell a bishop anything.

I'm with Phil!

Yep. Tell the bishop absolutely nothing. That is the correct answer.

No sins of any kind is the correct answer.
Swapping fishing stories is acceptable.

2bizE wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:23 am

wtfluff wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:10 pm

Phil Lurkerman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:07 pmNever tell a bishop anything.

I'm with Phil!

Yep. Tell the bishop absolutely nothing. That is the correct answer.

No sins of any kind is the correct answer.
Swapping fishing stories is acceptable.

Yeah, that hit me just before I read your post.

"Share' with the bishop about your favorite (useless) sports team, the weather, etc.

I have always felt, it's none of my neighbors business.

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In terms of "confession", "sins or misdeeds", or "things to repent from", absolutely nothing.

I am going to tell each one of my children that they don't have to tell the bishop anything about these things either, and that it is none of his business. If they feel the need, they should confess to God and not to any man and call it good.

The next step is going to be to send our bishop an email stating that I don't want them interviewed alone anymore so I can police this. The BS shaming stops now.

I feel strong about this right now, but I wonder what the result with TBM DW will be. Wish me luck.

The essays.

SHARE NOTHING!

ZADOK'S RULE #3 - Never Confess. Anyone that wants to hear your confession is only going to use it against you. Never Confess!!!

StarbucksMom wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:25 pm The essays.

This is very good too!

Sports (lame), weather, essays: All very shareable items. (Not necessarily in that order.)

"Cardinal! Poke her with the soft cushions!"

"Confess, woman, confess!"

http://attackontitan.wikia.com/wiki/File:Confess.gif

SeeNoEvil wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:54 pm SHARE NOTHING!
ZADOK'S RULE #3 - Never Confess. Anyone that wants to hear your confession is only going to use it against you. Never Confess!!!

I understand that for Catholics, the sacrament of confession can be a powerful tool for alleviating feelings of guilt, shame, and inadequacy. Of course, Catholic priests have taken a sacred oath not to reveal what is confessed to them, nor do they seek to punish penitants for what they have confessed although they might ask them to say some Hail Marys and perhaps root for the Fighting Irish of Notre Dame against USC Trojans.

moksha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:23 am

SeeNoEvil wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:54 pm SHARE NOTHING!
ZADOK'S RULE #3 - Never Confess. Anyone that wants to hear your confession is only going to use it against you. Never Confess!!!

I understand that for Catholics, the sacrament of confession can be a powerful tool for alleviating feelings of guilt, shame, and inadequacy. Of course, Catholic priests have taken a sacred oath not to reveal what is confessed to them, nor do they seek to punish penitants for what they have confessed although they might ask them to say some Hail Marys and perhaps root for the Fighting Irish of Notre Dame against USC Trojans.

Exactly. Saying some Hail Marys is completely different than confessing and getting a public shaming in return...no taking the sacrament, no participating in the sacrament (for young men), no praying at church, etc. Something for all to see that you aren't "worthy". Not a great way to alleviate feelings of shame.

It's all a bunch of BS. They only have what power you give them.

SeeNoEvil wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:54 pm SHARE NOTHING!

ZADOK'S RULE #3 - Never Confess. Anyone that wants to hear your confession is only going to use it against you. Never Confess!!!

Confession is supposed to be good for the soul. It can be good for the soul when reconciling and repenting when you have offended or harmed another person. But this is not how confession in the LDS church usually works. The reconciliation often comes under the harsh scrutiny of public shame as you are not allowed to participate in an ordinance. This commonly has the effect of broadcasting a false advertisement of the infraction you confessed to a priesthood leader. In short, everyone assumes it's porn.