NOM

Posted: **Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:08 pm**

We had a stake presidency change today, so two members of the 1stQ70 spoke in stake conference. Before they spoke the SP read a statement that forbade anyone recording or even transcribing anything that was said. Transcribing? Really? Is this a new churchwide policy? It's pretty paranoid and/or controlling of the church to try to keep people from even writing down what their COB-appointed emissaries are teaching in the stakes.

Posted: **Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:14 pm**

This really does seem over the top.

I remember thinking it was the keeners who took notes so they could remember and put it into their daily routines, but sigh I have been wrong about so many things.

So if no one remembers what was said or done, it will be easier to change things without anyone being able to see the change. Clever.

Posted: **Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:28 pm**

The tough part of being God's messenger is that someone may write it down...and hold you to it.

Plus if you record it you'll have to listen to that damed male keep sweet voice...

Posted: **Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:58 pm**

Isn't this what communists, nazis and other dictatorships do? Control the communication and propaganda?

Just sayin'.....

Posted: **Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:08 pm**

Same thing happened over here a few weeks ago. New leaders heralded in by two mid level GA's. Same statement was read about recording and transcribing.

If only Nephi, Mormon, and Moroni would have been given the same guidance none of us would be here today!

Posted: **Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:21 pm**

Thank goodness!!! I was going to keep notes for my journals...seems we're not a record keeping people anymore!!!

Posted: **Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:32 pm**

This is such BS. The visiting GAs are oh so important and we should give heed to their words because they speak for God - but don’t make a record of them. Why? They don’t say why, do they? But it’s because they keep getting bit in the butt when GAs say something stupid.

How incredibly asinine. They can’t have it both ways - either the GAs speak for God and we should document what they say, or they don’t and we should feel justified in ignoring them. Don’t tell me they speak for God then tell me not to document what they say.

Posted: **Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:08 pm**

Does anyone know if there's any grounds for such a request? What can they do about it if you do? Church discipline probably, but anything else?

Posted: **Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:28 pm**

Not Buying It wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:32 pm This is such BS. The visiting GAs are oh so important and we should give heed to their words because they speak for God - but don’t make a record of them. Why? They don’t say why, do they? But it’s because they keep getting bit in the butt when GAs say something stupid.

How incredibly asinine. They can’t have it both ways - either the GAs speak for God and we should document what they say, or they don’t and we should feel justified in ignoring them. Don’t tell me they speak for God then tell me not to document what they say.

Actually this is an old tradition in Mormonism so whether it is bound in policy or doctrine makes no difference. It has precedence and should thus be respected.

Part of Joseph's letter to Miss Sarah Ann Whitney:

"...when I see you I will tell you all my plans, I cannot write them on paper, burn this letter as soon as you read it; keep all locked up in your breasts, my life depends upon it."

Some intimacies are just not intended for general consumption.

Posted: **Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:56 pm**

Remember when Jesus told everyone NOT to write down anything he said? I'm sure if recording equipment existed in his day, he would have told them not to record him either.

(Yeah, I know that if Jesus actually existed, that none of his contemporaries, or his apostles actually wrote down anything he said... On second thought, if he did exist, maybe Jesus did tell everyone NOT to write down anything he said, and they listened to him, and that's why all of the "gospels" show up long after he (allegedly) died.

)

Posted: **Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:04 pm**

Like anyone who wants to publish something negative is not going to record it anyway. In today world whatever you do and say cenobite you. How about they just don't say stupid things.

Posted: **Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:49 pm**

1smartdodog wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:04 pm Like anyone who wants to publish something negative is not going to record it anyway. In today world whatever you do and say cenobite you. How about they just don't say stupid things.

Cenobite?

Posted: **Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:47 pm**

It would make sense for Church officials to confiscate any recording or writing implements (such as pens pencils, paper, books) at the door. Best to search for such implements hidden in plastic bags of cheerios as well.

Posted: **Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:50 pm**

Sounds like Mosiah 2:8 should be re-translated thus:

And it came to pass that he began to speak to his people from the tower; and they could not all hear his words because of the greatness of the multitude; therefore he caused that the words which he spake should forbidden to be written down, but that each family should relay them tent to tent so that they may all hear what they think his words should be but that no one could hold King Benjamin to them.

The current version defiantly is not translated correctly.

Posted: **Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:25 pm**

Hagoth wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:49 pmCenobite?

First cousin of the Golden Trilobite which appeared to Joseph Smith in 1829.

Posted: **Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:18 am**

Just This Guy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:50 pm Sounds like Mosiah 2:8 should be re-translated thus:
And it came to pass that he began to speak to his people from the tower; and they could not all hear his words because of the greatness of the multitude; therefore he caused that the words which he spake should forbidden to be written down, but that each family should relay them tent to tent so that they may all hear what they think his words should be but that no one could hold King Benjamin to them.
The current version defiantly is not translated correctly.

I love this.

Posted: **Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:02 pm**

Doesn't this fit the definition of a secret combination? I feel like I can refuse to go to meetings now on those grounds, yes?

Posted: **Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:10 pm**

Just This Guy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:50 pm Sounds like Mosiah 2:8 should be re-translated thus:
And it came to pass that he began to speak to his people from the tower; and they could not all hear his words because of the greatness of the multitude; therefore he caused that the words which he spake should forbidden to be written down, but that each family should relay them tent to tent so that they may all hear what they think his words should be but that no one could hold King Benjamin to them.

Perfect! I'm totally stealing this for some distant day when I can publicly say something like this to people who will get it.

Posted: **Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:39 pm**

wtfluff wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:56 pm Remember when Jesus told everyone NOT to write down anything he said? I'm sure if recording equipment existed in his day, he would have told them not to record him either.

(Yeah, I know that if Jesus actually existed, that none of his contemporaries, or his apostles actually wrote down anything he said... On second thought, if he did exist, maybe Jesus did tell everyone NOT to write down anything he said, and they listened to him, and that's why all of the "gospels" show up long after he (allegedly) died. )

I have forgotten when Jesus told everyone NOT to write down what he said. My irony meter isn't working, and my sarcasm monitor has a dead battery.

Posted: **Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:19 pm**

Sounds like the church is expecting a two party recording law to be passed at some point in Utah. By not giving their consent for GA visits to be recorded, they have set the stage for inadmissibility of recordings in any legal action. But why would they need to do that? What are they planning to say?

The church is growing even more paranoid. Or maybe they DO have something to hide?

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