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NOMinally Mormon wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:49 pm Articles like this make my blood boil. Back when I was a believing mormon, I searched the scriptures for recourse against abusive husbands and found none. Jesus himself said that people who get divorced for any reason besides adultery, are committing adultery themselves if they remarry. I felt horrible for years because I divorced a violent husband for scripturally unjustified reasons.
I now have just as much difficulty with the bible as with Mormonism. "Christian" based marital advice is awful. They lose me at "wives, submit to your husbands"

NOMinally Mormon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:38 am I've left Christianity also, and consider myself a pagan.

Give It Time wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:34 am I now consider Jesus of Nazareth, if he lived, to have been a spiritual sage--remarkably enlightened for his day, but definitely a product of the contemporary point of view. I also believe he was not a family man, so not a whole lot of room to talk, there.

Give It Time wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:34 am

NOMinally Mormon wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:49 pm Articles like this make my blood boil. Back when I was a believing mormon, I searched the scriptures for recourse against abusive husbands and found none. Jesus himself said that people who get divorced for any reason besides adultery, are committing adultery themselves if they remarry. I felt horrible for years because I divorced a violent husband for scripturally unjustified reasons.
I now have just as much difficulty with the bible as with Mormonism. "Christian" based marital advice is awful. They lose me at "wives, submit to your husbands"

This is precisely why I turned to non-Abrahamic traditions. I now consider Jesus of Nazareth, if he lived, to have been a spiritual sage--remarkably enlightened for his day, but definitely a product of the contemporary point of view. I also believe he was not a family man, so not a whole lot of room to talk, there.

Jeffret wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:47 am

Give It Time wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:34 am I now consider Jesus of Nazareth, if he lived, to have been a spiritual sage--remarkably enlightened for his day, but definitely a product of the contemporary point of view. I also believe he was not a family man, so not a whole lot of room to talk, there.

Whether Jesus existed or not and whether he married or not, much of what is Christianity is really Paulinity, more based upon Paul than Jesus. There's no reason to think Paul was ever married or a family man. Though purely speculative there is much more reason to think he was gay. Any way you look at it, Christianity has been dominated by men through its history and it clearly shows it. And it still is, though women have made inroads in some areas. Not the Mormon Church, though.


The sentiment expressed in this referenced article is very common in conservative Christianity. For extreme examples, look into the Quiverfull and other related movements.

alas wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:35 am

Give It Time wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:34 am

NOMinally Mormon wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:49 pm Articles like this make my blood boil. Back when I was a believing mormon, I searched the scriptures for recourse against abusive husbands and found none. Jesus himself said that people who get divorced for any reason besides adultery, are committing adultery themselves if they remarry. I felt horrible for years because I divorced a violent husband for scripturally unjustified reasons.
I now have just as much difficulty with the bible as with Mormonism. "Christian" based marital advice is awful. They lose me at "wives, submit to your husbands"

This is precisely why I turned to non-Abrahamic traditions. I now consider Jesus of Nazareth, if he lived, to have been a spiritual sage--remarkably enlightened for his day, but definitely a product of the contemporary point of view. I also believe he was not a family man, so not a whole lot of room to talk, there.

Fascinating Womanhood, or whatever the stupid book is called. If you have a selfish husband, this all makes him very happy, but being selfish he loves it but does not treat you any better. He thinks he deserves to be treated like a king, with you his lowly servant.

If you have a normal good husband, and you as wife are not a b****, then he doesn't need coddling, you don't need to nag him because one request and he will do as you ask.

Now, I suspect that this kind of article is written by women who are at core queen bees, b*****, and divas who need a lesson in not being a selfish jacka**. They badly need to treat their husband like a human being entitled to feelings and needs. But instead they have been treating him like a doormat, until wake up call, the marriage is in bad trouble and they are a nasty selfish nag, who undermines his human hood in order to build herself up. So, they have an aha moment that I would translate into "don't be a b****," and they write a book and say how you have to treat your man different than you want to treat him, and that when you treat him like a human being, he feels loved and valued, and loves you back. They assume that all women are naturally as nasty as they themselves are and that all women need to treat their husband better than what she herself wants to do.

So rather than being the obedient fawning sweet thing they talk about, they make it barely over to treating their husband as a worthwhile human. But us normal women who read it, think we have to turn ourselves into doormats, and abused women who read it are already doormats and they think they need to be softer cushy doormats, that instantly clean themselves from the mud hubby brings in.

So, good advice for selfish jerks like she is, bad advice for everyone else.

I have long noticed that women who advise submission to husbands and stay home and bake him cookies, are not women who do that, but strong bossy career women.

NOMinally Mormon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:38 am I've left Christianity also, and consider myself a pagan.

Jeffret wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:47 am Whether Jesus existed or not and whether he married or not, much of what is Christianity is really Paulinity, more based upon Paul than Jesus. There's no reason to think Paul was ever married or a family man. Though purely speculative there is much more reason to think he was gay. Any way you look at it, Christianity has been dominated by men through its history and it clearly shows it. And it still is, though women have made inroads in some areas. Not the Mormon Church, though.


The sentiment expressed in this referenced article is very common in conservative Christianity. For extreme examples, look into the Quiverfull and other related movements.