NOM

Sunday afternoon nomference thread!

Have any women given a prayer other than in the Women's Session?

I dislike Ballard more and more.

Warning about preppers and get-rich-quick schemes is decent.

Oooh, anti-BOM-critic talk. Yes JS was a theoligical genius.

Korihor wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2017 1:17 pm I dislike Ballard more and more.

Heard he paid tribute to Jane Manning in his talk. Wonder if he mentioned she was sealed to Joseph Smith.....as his eternal servant. (I think I know the answer )

How could JS possibly write the BoM

With tautologies if you start with a false premise you can prove anything is true. In this case Callister starts with the premise that the BoM is a quality work.

We have all been told that everything in the BoM is true. Best start reading and repenting. Joseph Smith was the bestest ever.

Tad Callister mentioned some discovered metal plates... other than the Kinderhook plates, what would he be referencing?

His talk seemed to be a reinforcing of those already in his camp that they are right and those so called critics are wrong. No need to look over there at all.

Oh, also interesting that he stressed that JS had no notes, but he didn't say anything about a rock in a hat.

Hmmmmmm....

w2mz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2017 1:40 pm Tad Callister mentioned some discovered metal plates... other than the Kinderhook plates, what would he be referencing?

Maybe he was looking at an x-ray of his skull.

w2mz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2017 1:40 pm Tad Callister mentioned some discovered metal plates... other than the Kinderhook plates, what would he be referencing?

His talk seemed to be a reinforcing of those already in his camp that they are right and those so called critics are wrong. No need to look over there at all.

Oh, also interesting that he stressed that JS had no notes, but he didn't say anything about a rock in a hat.

Hmmmmmm....

Here's a link to one story.
https://www.deseretnews.com/article/700 ... -East.html
Still no explanation about how JS was able to carry the plates off Cumorah. Also, wouldn't the men checking his barrel of beans have noticed that it was incredibly heavy?

blazerb wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2017 1:03 pm Have any women given a prayer other than in the Women's Session?

I didn't catch Saturday morning, but no women have prayed since

FiveFingerMnemonic wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2017 1:29 pm Oooh, anti-BOM-critic talk. Yes JS was a theoligical genius.

I missed the beginning, but this guy has made a habit of sharing bad talks about the BOM. I'll have to listen to this tonight and see if anything holds up.

I thought the guy speaking about the BoM was going to trip himself from all the fancy side-stepping.

BUT - for the sake of further argument - let's suppose the BoM came about exactly as the church claims (whichever claim seems to be in vogue, that is). Suppose it is inspirational. Fine. That does not make JS a prophet any more than it would make C.S. Lewis a prophet, or Richard Bach (author of Jonathan Livingston Seagull) a prophet. In fact, JS falls way further down on the list of prophet criteria, because he was a sexual predator, a con artist, a thief and was convicted of bank fraud.

Nothing, anywhere, says that a person who lacks integrity and strength of character cannot write interesting books. If anything, we might expect some of those crook types to use books as vehicles to promote themselves (think L. Ron Hubbard). Today's world includes TV, radio and the Internet, and many corrupt "religious leaders" have taken advantage of those things, too.

I personally don't care how the BoM came about. I see many parts that are plagiarized or otherwise "borrowed," and I believe it would have been challenged by copyright owners today, but that didn't happen back then. The BoM proves nothing other than JS was an accomplished con artist and liar, and the fact the church has lied for years about Smith's wives, the multiple first vision accounts, the BoA and other things that absolutely point to only one fact: Joseph Smith, a serial con artist, was not a prophet.

I can't believe I'm listening. This is horrible

Well he was a little bit suck up -y

Had to tell us how he works with super rich people and how he knows how to raise their kids better than they do.

Korihor wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2017 1:53 pm I can't believe I'm listening. This is horrible

I did for the the first couple years after I stopped attending (just out of curiosity, I guess...). Now I just can no longer do it. I find myself getting too angry because I still have two kids who hang on every word. I hate listening and knowing how deceived they still are.

Did they announce about Elder Hales passing?

AllieOop wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2017 2:04 pm Did they announce about Elder Hales passing?

Yes. Eyring did at the start of this session.