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Spicy McHaggis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:29 pm Now, considering the church claims to be lead by Jesus, why on earth aren't they giving the land away? Even better, why aren't they building the homeless shelter themselves? Would Jesus really have his corporation sell a property to house the homeless for over $4M?

Spicy McHaggis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:29 pm
Now, considering the church claims to be lead by Jesus, why on earth aren't they giving the land away? Even better, why aren't they building the homeless shelter themselves? Would Jesus really have his corporation sell a property to house the homeless for over $4M?

Over the last decade, the Church has donated cash and commodities totaling more than $42 million to eight community and religious organizations that serve the homeless in Salt Lake City. There are dozens of partners that draw upon the Church’s food reserves at bishops’ storehouses on a monthly basis. In addition, the Church offers counseling services, employment training, job placement, and personal ministering to the homeless. To support the current efforts of city and county officials, the Church earlier agreed to sell its Deseret Industries facility at 130 East 700 South to Salt Lake City for use as one of three or four planned homeless resource centers. In addition, we are in active discussions with community partners to identify where the greatest needs exist and how the Church may offer additional help.

Red Ryder wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:48 am Has the church ever fed or sheltered the homeless? Not in the traditional shelter and soup kitchen sense.

General question for everyone:

Did this bother you before your faith crisis? Or is this low hanging fruit we all grasp because it's an easy one to complain about?

Maybe I need to think through why I'm not bothered by a billion dollar organization not giving enough to humanitarian efforts. Perhaps because my expectations were low or misguided by Fast Offerings and the constant barrage of self reliance teachings.

Or maybe because I'm too many miles and rows of nice neighborhood homes removed from the homeless population?

Or maybe because I've dismantled the idea that Jesus runs this (or any) church? Or that his ideas are even relevant in 2017?

Or maybe because I've dismantled my once held trust in the church and it's leaders to do the right thing?

Or maybe because I'm just a cold hearted apostate who doesn't care what the church does with their money anymore since I've stopped giving them mine?

Or maybe it should bother me? I dunno...

Red Ryder wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:48 am Has the church ever fed or sheltered the homeless? Not in the traditional shelter and soup kitchen sense.

General question for everyone:

Did this bother you before your faith crisis? Yes, but not as much as now. Or is this low hanging fruit we all grasp because it's an easy one to complain about? Just because it's low hanging doesn't dimish it.

Maybe I need to think through why I'm not bothered by a billion dollar organization not giving enough to humanitarian efforts. Perhaps because my expectations were low or misguided by Fast Offerings and the constant barrage of self reliance teachings. I was taught the church does a lot. Now I see the members do a lot, but the chruch skirts by on minimal amounts done to be qualified as christian.

Or maybe because I'm too many miles and rows of nice neighborhood homes removed from the homeless population? I am as well. But I am actively making plans to participate in caring for the homeless. This has become an issue to me since my faith crisis.

Or maybe because I've dismantled the idea that Jesus runs this (or any) church? Or that his ideas are even relevant in 2017? This is true for me

Or maybe because I've dismantled my once held trust in the church and it's leaders to do the right thing? I still hold them to a standard they profess even if I know their hearts are far from it.

Or maybe because I'm just a cold hearted apostate who doesn't care what the church does with their money anymore since I've stopped giving them mine? Yes

Or maybe it should bother me? I dunno... Maybe a little. The Mesa food bank recently had a freezer break down and they lost 21,000 lbs of food. Should we care and/or help out? I dunno.

Red Ryder wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:48 am Has the church ever fed or sheltered the homeless? Not in the traditional shelter and soup kitchen sense.

General question for everyone:

Did this bother you before your faith crisis? Or is this low hanging fruit we all grasp because it's an easy one to complain about?

Maybe I need to think through why I'm not bothered by a billion dollar organization not giving enough to humanitarian efforts. Perhaps because my expectations were low or misguided by Fast Offerings and the constant barrage of self reliance teachings.

Or maybe because I'm too many miles and rows of nice neighborhood homes removed from the homeless population?

Or maybe because I've dismantled the idea that Jesus runs this (or any) church? Or that his ideas are even relevant in 2017?

Or maybe because I've dismantled my once held trust in the church and it's leaders to do the right thing?

Or maybe because I'm just a cold hearted apostate who doesn't care what the church does with their money anymore since I've stopped giving them mine?

Or maybe it should bother me? I dunno...

Thoughtful wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:36 pm I know of specific individuals panhandling near the SLC temple who have been offered jobs by the church.

My ward does a rotation at a soup kitchen (once a month).

It's a drop in the bucket. But it is something.

I can't recall any time the church has been associated with giving away anything other than guilt, shame, and old white shirts.

tryingtogetitright wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:36 pm One of the news reports said that there was an informal bargain that the church would make a generous donation after the sale went through. So in my mind, if they do that, they were simply helping to maximize what the shelter would have from state contribution (that is the source of the payment to the Mormon church for the property).