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Yesterday, we sent our daughter and son-in-law off to dental school in Kentucky. They posed for a photo after leaving Wyoming and entering Colorado. It'll be a 3-day trip by the time they get there--beats spending 3 months walking that distance like their ancestors did.

Korihor wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:34 am From fbook

Yesterday, we sent our daughter and son-in-law off to dental school in Kentucky. They posed for a photo after leaving Wyoming and entering Colorado. It'll be a 3-day trip by the time they get there--beats spending 3 months walking that distance like their ancestors did.

Congrats papa Korihor! It is always nice to see our children moving on in a positive direction..... and away from Utah. In 1998 I moved from UT to the Midwest. I was TBM at the time so while traveling I-80 East I thought much of my ancestors trek to Zion. I wish your young pioneers good luck in their new adventure.

SeeNoEvil wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:59 pm

Korihor wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:34 am From fbook

Yesterday, we sent our daughter and son-in-law off to dental school in Kentucky. They posed for a photo after leaving Wyoming and entering Colorado. It'll be a 3-day trip by the time they get there--beats spending 3 months walking that distance like their ancestors did.

Congrats papa Korihor! It is always nice to see our children moving on in a positive direction..... and away from Utah. In 1998 I moved from UT to the Midwest. I was TBM at the time so while traveling I-80 East I thought much of my ancestors trek to Zion. I wish your young pioneers good luck in their new adventure.

Big misunderstanding - not my kids. An acquaintance on Fbook posted this. I was just SMDH the guy couldn't even wish his kids well without a pioneer reference of crossing the plains.

Korihor wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:04 pm

SeeNoEvil wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:59 pm

Korihor wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:34 am From fbook

Congrats papa Korihor! It is always nice to see our children moving on in a positive direction..... and away from Utah. In 1998 I moved from UT to the Midwest. I was TBM at the time so while traveling I-80 East I thought much of my ancestors trek to Zion. I wish your young pioneers good luck in their new adventure.

Big misunderstanding - not my kids. An acquaintance on Fbook posted this. I was just SMDH the guy couldn't even wish his kids well without a pioneer reference of crossing the plains.

LOL!! I should no better than to post anything before I've had my 2 cups of coffee! Sorry I missed the FB reference part of your post.
We used to joke about crossing the plains when taking that I-80 trip from the Midwest to Utah.... way to many times. But I get what you mean about your FB acquaintance. TBM's can't.... just can't talk about ANYTHING without injecting the church in the conversation some way!

SeeNoEvil wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2017 9:59 am

Korihor wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:04 pm

SeeNoEvil wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:59 pm Congrats papa Korihor! It is always nice to see our children moving on in a positive direction..... and away from Utah. In 1998 I moved from UT to the Midwest. I was TBM at the time so while traveling I-80 East I thought much of my ancestors trek to Zion. I wish your young pioneers good luck in their new adventure.

Big misunderstanding - not my kids. An acquaintance on Fbook posted this. I was just SMDH the guy couldn't even wish his kids well without a pioneer reference of crossing the plains.

LOL!! I should no better than to post anything before I've had my 2 cups of coffee! Sorry I missed the FB reference part of your post.
We used to joke about crossing the plains when taking that I-80 trip from the Midwest to Utah.... way to many times. But I get what you mean about your FB acquaintance. TBM's can't.... just can't talk about ANYTHING without injecting the church in the conversation some way!

I've noticed this, too. I like my coworkers. I love my extended family. I like my neighbors. But the way the church just weaves its way into conversation is part of the reason I just want to leave Utah, particularly Utah County. What bothers me about it is, my coworkers especially, just assume I am LDS and assume I believe the church is true. Even though, I've never really talked about my ward to most of them. I refer to my ward as my neighbors. I drink tea at work. Yet, there's just this assumption. When I lived and worked outside of Utah, there was never this assumption. If religion came up, there would always be a brief explanation so people could better understand the anecdote, or there'd be the outright inquiry of whether or not I'm LDS. If someone asks me, I'm truthful about it.

Yet, at work, there's the very wise policy of not talking about religion. I'm not at liberty to say why. We just aren't and I believe it's mostly wise. However, it's something like the gays in the military with don't ask, don't tell. The assumption is then that everyone is hetero and that becomes the culture. So, the assumption is everyone is just a Mormon so they don't, and really can't, ask. I can state my religious affiliation, but not discuss much more than that and don't have the desire to out myself because they just assume things about me based on where I live in the world. That way church just infiltrates every aspect of the local culture.

Give It Time wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:42 am Yet, at work, there's the very wise policy of not talking about religion. I'm not at liberty to say why. We just aren't and I believe it's mostly wise. However, it's something like the gays in the military with don't ask, don't tell. The assumption is then that everyone is hetero and that becomes the culture. So, the assumption is everyone is just a Mormon so they don't, and really can't, ask. I can state my religious affiliation, but not discuss much more than that and don't have the desire to out myself because they just assume things about me based on where I live in the world. That way church just infiltrates every aspect of the local culture.

I'm in a slightly different situation. I live and work in the "mission field." When I was hired, I quickly became labeled as "The Mormon." Nobody gives me a hard time. I have tried to live a life worthy of respect, and I get along with most. However, I worry that many of my coworkers make assumptions about my level of belief that I am not comfortable with. I was discussing marriage with a coworker and the temple sealing came up. He shared that he has relatives who were not informed about their inability to see a temple marriage until they arrived at the temple. I winced. I told him that I think the practice of having a public wedding followed by the religious ceremony would be better for the church and all involved. He raised his eyebrows and said he was surprised I would say that. He thought I was going to defend current LDS practices.

Anyway, that was one example of how my religion manages to infiltrate my life in many ways even though I am far from Utah. I am as nervous about coming out as an unbeliever to my non-Mormon colleagues as I am to my family.