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I am trying to assemble material for a future podcast on the Strengthening Church Members Committee and how it acts within the structure of the LDS Church.

I have put together some initial thoughts on the subject and wanted to know if anybody has additional examples or ideas.

Here is what I have so far:

1. Leak of the existence of the SCMC via the 1991 Glenn Pace memo to the brethren re: the epidemic of Satanic ritualized abuse in Utah.

2. Response that it is only a “newspaper clipping” service.

3. September 6 disciplinary proceedings in which it came out that Elder Packer directed the stake president of Avraham Gileadi to discipline him; Steve Benson interviewed Elder Oaks about this and Elder Oaks admitted it, saying it was hard to stage manage a grizzly bear.

4. More recent disciplinary actions in which the church, through its spokespeople, deny any involvement in the proceedings, claiming they are merely local actions initiated locally.

5. D. Michael Quinn’s story of how his stake president told him that an area seventy initiated the action and told him what to do and that the area seventy also told the stake president that the stake president was not to mention any involvement from higher up, and that it was supposed to look like the proceeding was the idea of the stake president; how the stake president balked at the idea and told D. Michael Quinn about it.

6. Again with more recent disciplinary hearings, it appears that on occasion, local leaders making the accusations and bringing the actions seem unfamiliar with the evidence they are using against the member, suggesting that the information is not something they found on their own but are being fed by another, and possibly higher, source. (Any other stories along these lines would be helpful.)

7. The BBC interview with Elder Holland in which the existence of the SCMC is brought up by the interviewer and initially denied, but subsequently admitted; and Elder Holland seems somewhat agitated in having to talk about it.

8. John Lynch interview in January of 2016 in which he admits to being contacted by the church to help gather information on dissident voices and helping them out by sending along information.

Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated!

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

I do not have a good documentation of this, but it was shared by an institute teacher I had a while back. He told us that once when the church was trying to simplify the number of books members needed, GA's started by asking what publications were required. On the list was a "list of enemies." I would have to spend more time to find the reference, but apparently this is required in the D&C. The teacher told us that the Church buys two copies of every "antimormon" book for its library. He also told us that he participated in keeping track of what people post online. He did not tell us his assignment, but apparently someone is assigned to read/listen to online posts on sites that are of concern. I would assume that at least one person is assigned to read what we post here. There were people who were supposedly assigned to read the old mailing lists and newsgroups. I don't know if they try to keep up with every website today, but I bet they get someone to read a lot of them especially those like NOM that cater to current members.

Sorry Consiglieri I got nothing - I'm a long way from the upper echelons of mormonism, and the morridor.

Blazerb I hope someone is monitoring what we post, that person has the balls to go back and give it to the brethren straight.

I could go on but I don't want to hijack the thread any more.

No podcast on this would be complete without covering the scriptural justification for the committee's existence:

https://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testa ... 2?lang=eng

They believe that their work will one day be used at judgement day where all the sinful and oppressive things we've spoken against the church will be revealed:

D&C 123 wrote:4 And perhaps a committee can be appointed to find out these things, and to take statements and affidavits; and also to gather up the libelous publications that are afloat;

5 And all that are in the magazines, and in the encyclopedias, and all the libelous histories that are published, and are writing, and by whom, and present the whole concatenation of diabolical rascality and nefarious and murderous impositions that have been practiced upon this people—

6 That we may not only publish to all the world, but present them to the heads of government in all their dark and hellish hue, as the last effort which is enjoined on us by our Heavenly Father, before we can fully and completely claim that promise which shall call him forth from his hiding place; and also that the whole nation may be left without excuse before he can send forth the power of his mighty arm.

7 It is an imperative duty that we owe to God, to angels, with whom we shall be brought to stand, and also to ourselves, to our wives and children, who have been made to bow down with grief, sorrow, and care, under the most damning hand of murder, tyranny, and oppression, supported and urged on and upheld by the influence of that spirit which hath so strongly riveted the creeds of the fathers, who have inherited lies, upon the hearts of the children, and filled the world with confusion, and has been growing stronger and stronger, and is now the very mainspring of all corruption, and the whole earth groans under the weight of its iniquity.

I don't know any more than what was described. Very little information other than it exists. We think elder Nelson lead the committee for some time. I'm hoping mormon leaks prove see some new details.

I served my mission in Los Angeles and for a time lived on the temple grounds while working in the office. One day the MP asked me to go to the storage sheds in the back to get a Russian language BoM. I'd never been back there because the mission clerk usually handled that stuff, but while I was back there, I noticed another door that went into a larger storage area.

I opened it and had a look around and was surprised that the shelves were packed full of anti-mormon books, pamphlets, and audio cassettes. One whole box was filled with recordings that just covered local radio broadcasts where the church was discussed. There was a lot of Ed Decker stuff, the guy who did The God Makers, because he lived somewhere in the mission. I found Mormon related Watchtower magazines and file cabinets filled with newspaper clippings. When I asked the MP about it all, he wasn't even aware that it was back there, but he told me that the church keeps a record of that sort of thing and that people from Salt Lake must be using the space for storage.

I thought it was really weird.

consiglieri wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:31 am John Lynch interview in January of 2016 in which he admits to being contacted by the church to help gather information on dissident voices and helping them out by sending along information.

Do you have a reference or link to this?

You may want to look into the case of Jane Doe vs. Corp. of the Pres. of TCoJCoLDS in Berkeley Co. WV. That is a court case that is sill ongoing that alleges that upper leadership in the church actively worked to cover up child abuse and molestation by the son of then member of stake presidency.

Heavy reading here. Keep the pepto handy.
http://blog.kosnoff.com/wp-content/uplo ... -C-656.pdf

Brent Metcalf told John Dehlin in his Mormon Stories interview that when he worked for LDS security, he was asked to go to a meeting of ERA supporters and write down license plate numbers. They then got sympathetic (or church-broke?) policemen to run the plates and find out which attendees were members.

Episode 493: http://www.mormonstories.org/brent-metc ... -bombings/

Enough wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:40 pm

consiglieri wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:31 am John Lynch interview in January of 2016 in which he admits to being contacted by the church to help gather information on dissident voices and helping them out by sending along information.

Do you have a reference or link to this?

Here you go!

http://mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/vie ... =1&t=40522

JDH: Does the Church ever ask for your help on anything?

JL: There have been times when they have asked us specifically about movements or about individuals and what we know about their activity online, that sort of thing. And, of course, when we’re aware of it, we’ll share information, as appropriate.

consiglieri wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:32 pm Here you go!

http://mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/vie ... =1&t=40522

Wow, what a toxic thread.

blazerb wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:16 am He also told us that he participated in keeping track of what people post online. He did not tell us his assignment, but apparently someone is assigned to read/listen to online posts on sites that are of concern. I would assume that at least one person is assigned to read what we post here.

Hey...you CES or GA people out there reading this?....GET A LIFE! STOP telling LIES because you excuse yourself on the grounds "Its for the Lord".

You are NOT different because you are Mormon and wear special underware. As I recall, Jesus said that God is no Respecter of Persons...and that scripture applies to Thomas Monson as much as the lowliest apostate there is. A lie is a lie. A deceit is a deceit. Propaganda is propaganda.

You can't justify the means by claiming the ends are holy. Sin is SIN!....so grow up out there, read the writing on the wall,...and TELL THE EFFING TRUTH!

Fifi de la Vergne wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:29 pm Brent Metcalf told John Dehlin in his Mormon Stories interview that when he worked for LDS security, he was asked to go to a meeting of ERA supporters and write down license plate numbers. They then got sympathetic (or church-broke?) policemen to run the plates and find out which attendees were members.

Episode 493: http://www.mormonstories.org/brent-metc ... -bombings/

WOW...talk about a constitutional infringement. This is illegal....it breaks the LAW.

What a law suit this could create, let along a criminal prosecution.

Rob4Hope wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:28 pm

Hey...you CES or GA people out there reading this?....GET A LIFE! STOP telling LIES because you excuse yourself on the grounds "Its for the Lord".

You are NOT different because you are Mormon and wear special underware. As I recall, Jesus said that God is no Respecter of Persons...and that scripture applies to Thomas Monson as much as the lowliest apostate there is. A lie is a lie. A deceit is a deceit. Propaganda is propaganda.

You can't justify the means by claiming the ends are holy. Sin is SIN!....so grow up out there, read the writing on the wall,...and TELL THE EFFING TRUTH!

And the SCMC reading this should think long and hard about how the following scripture from D&C 10 applies to them:

25 Yea, [Satan] saith unto them: Deceive and lie in wait to catch, that ye may destroy; behold, this is no harm. And thus he flattereth them, and telleth them that it is no sin to lie that they may catch a man in a lie, that they may destroy him.
26 And thus he flattereth them, and leadeth them along until he draggeth their souls down to hell; and thus he causeth them to catch themselves in their own snare.
27 And thus he goeth up and down, to and fro in the earth, seeking to destroy the souls of men.
28 Verily, verily, I say unto you, wo be unto him that lieth to deceive because he supposeth that another lieth to deceive, for such are not exempt from the justice of God.

I don't ask for much. I just ask that the church change doctrines and practices that enable abuse and that the church change doctrines and practices the groom victims.

Thank you.

consiglieri,

good reply.

Those people up there don't listen. The scriptures don't mean anything to them because they have a "living prophet"...and he can say do this or do that, and the scriptures only apply when members do the same thing and need to be slapped down.

Mixed standards. Its part of their ilk....

Fifi de la Vergne wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:29 pm Brent Metcalf told John Dehlin in his Mormon Stories interview that when he worked for LDS security, he was asked to go to a meeting of ERA supporters and write down license plate numbers. They then got sympathetic (or church-broke?) policemen to run the plates and find out which attendees were members.

Episode 493: http://www.mormonstories.org/brent-metc ... -bombings/

This is somewhat like one of the scenes in The Godfather. Nice.

consiglieri wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:31 am I am trying to assemble material for a future podcast on the Strengthening Church Members Committee and how it acts within the structure of the LDS Church.

I have put together some initial thoughts on the subject and wanted to know if anybody has additional examples or ideas.

Here is what I have so far:

1. Leak of the existence of the SCMC via the 1991 Glenn Pace memo to the brethren re: the epidemic of Satanic ritualized abuse in Utah.

Question - do you have a link for this (the Satanic thing)? Once again I've been stunned by something I didn't know. The rabbit hole never ends.

Regarding the clipping service - it's standard for any large organization (corporation, government, whatever) to monitor news about its doings, its areas of interest and issues of concern. It's not standard to keep files just for the purpose of harming people or driving them out. The clipping service response is true, but also evasive.

Silver Girl wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:27 pm

consiglieri wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:31 am I am trying to assemble material for a future podcast on the Strengthening Church Members Committee and how it acts within the structure of the LDS Church.

I have put together some initial thoughts on the subject and wanted to know if anybody has additional examples or ideas.

Here is what I have so far:

1. Leak of the existence of the SCMC via the 1991 Glenn Pace memo to the brethren re: the epidemic of Satanic ritualized abuse in Utah.

Question - do you have a link for this (the Satanic thing)? Once again I've been stunned by something I didn't know. The rabbit hole never ends.

Regarding the clipping service - it's standard for any large organization (corporation, government, whatever) to monitor news about its doings, its areas of interest and issues of concern. It's not standard to keep files just for the purpose of harming people or driving them out. The clipping service response is true, but also evasive.

google it. Glen Pace -- Satanic Memo. Looks like the Tanner site has a copy.

Give It Time wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2017 3:49 pm I don't ask for much. I just ask that the church change doctrines and practices that enable abuse and that the church change doctrines and practices the groom victims.

Thank you.

Amen.