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Red Ryder wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 8:26 amSNE, you've been missed and I apologize for assuming you've found bigger and better things in the world to do with your time.

SeeNoEvil wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 10:18 am Welcome back to to reality! I hope you went somewhere tropical and warm! Thank you for your comments. The one thing that brings us all together here on NOM is the church and our struggle to make sense of this whole crazy ordeal that is disrupting our worlds. No matter where we are on this path we all started at the same point and that is what makes this board so unique.

2bizE: I hadn't noticed the thing about there being no priesthood lines of division until you mentioned it. Wow! This is how it should be. Priesthood was my first and heaviest brick to land on my shelf clear back when I was in High School. To think of it NOM is where I started a new life without the church and where that division was gone for the first time in my life. I hadn't notice there weren't a lot of women on the board either until it was mentioned on another thread. It is good we have this blend of differences where we can all learn from each other no matter who we are.

Red Ryder wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 8:26 amSNE, you've been missed and I apologize for assuming you've found bigger and better things in the world to do with your time.

It is always nice to be missed. I did move on to a few bigger and better things to do in my world but NOM will always be home. I check in often to take out the dog, bring in the mail, water the plants, etc... you know.... I always see a light on here but sometimes find no one home. I know I'm not the only one who feels out of place here at times, but I know I can alone make it a better experience for at least for myself by making more an effort to make others feel welcome. We are just like any new neighbor. It takes time to get to know our neighbors and build those life long relationships. And time is what I have and am willing to commit to because NOM is worth it.

GiveitTime: a proverbial bubble bath sounds like a perfect thing to do! Enjoy!

Red Ryder wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 8:26 amI'm a better man, husband, and father because of the perspective you share on the board.

Thank you for your participation and shared wisdom.

Enough wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 1:00 pm RR, thank you for your acknowledgement that the ladies have value... wisdom... insights ...intelligence, even. I can't convey how rare of an experience this is, sadly, to be "seen" and validated this way in Mormonism -- yes, by the Patriarchy (not to mention being slighted by "well-behaving women".)

I guess I'm just so used to being seen as only an appendage-- it's good to remember that some people can recognize my worth and capabilities-- outside of the marriage relationship/to DH. He's great and all--- but, I've got a lot to offer, too...all on my own!

It says a lot about you-- that you're willing to take off the Mormon Male glasses & see life (and all people) in Color.

Enough wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 1:00 pmI guess I'm just so used to being seen as only an appendage-- it's good to remember that some people can recognize my worth and capabilities-- outside of the marriage relationship/to DH. He's great and all--- but, I've got a lot to offer, too...all on my own!

LostGirl wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 4:03 pm It has been invaluable for me to be able to hear from other women on this forum, to validate my feelings and to get advice about how to deal with the issues I face at church and at home.

By the same token it has been equally valuable to be able to hear from the men here. One of my biggest gripes has always been the way women are treated in the church but I have come to see that men who are not on the leadership track are also marginalised and dismissed and made to feel less valuable.

So I thank all of you for your thoughts, opinions, experiences and wisdom.

SeeNoEvil wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 1:29 pm It is rare we get to meet who we talk to on this board and I consider it a privilege to have gotten the chance to meet you in person and to become friends.

Red Ryder wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 8:26 am I'm a better man, husband, and father because of the perspective you share on the board.

Culper Jr. wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 7:07 pm

Red Ryder wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 8:26 am I'm a better man, husband, and father because of the perspective you share on the board.

Totally agree. I have a daughter and I am very concerned about the effect the church has on her. I value the perspectives you share. It makes me a better dad and I am thankful for you all.

Charlotte wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2017 3:18 am I'm not a regular here and don't know about the situation in the OP, but just want to say thanks. It's very hard to wake up in middle age to the implications of LDS doctrine, scripture and practice for women.

At church you get shushed because, "What does your concern have to do with the atonement?" My point, actually. What does [insert particular offensive item] have to do with the Golden Rule, or a loving God, or a Savior who seemed to take special care for women?

Or you get shushed because, "First world problems." Again, my point. The first world is the place where we could attend to matters beyond mere survival. It's where we decided that rape and slavery and segregation were wrong. How does the plight of many around the world release us - the church that claims to be the leader in the final dispensation - from responsibility to have coherent teachings ennobling to men and women that can be brought to all the world?

I don't like to belly-ache, because I've been blessed to know lots of good LDS men, but words matter; we need to address Section 132. If the temple is going to matter to the rising generation, we need to address the endowment. Etc, etc.

If this was an outburst, I apologize. I wish there were more safe places to bring these thoughts and feelings.

Thanks for the give and take, for seeing things through other eyes.

Charlotte wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2017 3:18 am I've been blessed to know lots of good LDS men, but words matter; we need to address Section 132. If the temple is going to matter to the rising generation, we need to address the endowment. Etc, etc.

Give It Time wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2017 5:52 am I wanted to say, "Everything!" I wanted to say that, because these matters had everything to do with whether or not I even wanted to be in the CK.

Enough wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2017 7:18 am

Give It Time wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2017 5:52 am I wanted to say, "Everything!" I wanted to say that, because these matters had everything to do with whether or not I even wanted to be in the CK.

Even in my hard-core TBM/BYU days, I told my husband I would choose to be a ministering angel before I would agree to living in the CK as a plural wife & eternal baby-making machine. So, I guess that means I've never wanted to live in TSCCK. Information has only served to solidify that position.