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I'm not active or anything, I'm just curious about something. Would using anabolic steroids be considered a violation of the word of wisdom, and keep a person out of the temple if they admitted it? Would that be up to each stake presidency as they see fit? What if the purpose of using them is to repair a physical problem (such as a bad joint)? I've always wondered about it.

That very question came up in a Bishop Training meeting, and the SP looked at his first counselor who is a doctor, who shook his head no. The SP said, "There's your answer."

That might be a stake president roulette question, but that was the response from one.

Indolent want to thread Jack but....there are a number of grey areas with the WOW. What about the new e-cigarettes? They don't have tobacco. Can you picture ward members smoking e-cigarettes in the church flyer?

I think it falls back onto "the appearance of evil"

Do anabolic steroids look evil? Not really.

Do e-cigs look evil? Yup

When I was young there was such a strict interpretation of the WOW. Now I see Mormons drinking cold coffee all the time. Coffee ice cream. Coffee candy. Iced tea. But yea there do seem to be a lot of gaps.... I was told by a SP's wife caffeine pills were against the word of wisdom as are any and all medicines/pills not for illness. And any with alcohol.

She caught me with metabolife in my cart at the store.

For the life of me, I can't figure out why iced tea is a violation of the WoW but all you can eat red meat at Golden Corral isn't.

Hagoth wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2017 6:41 am For the life of me, I can't figure out why iced tea is a violation of the WoW but all you can eat red meat at Golden Corral isn't.

Once I saw the quote that it's not about the caffeine and thought about how we can have hot chocolate....I went to my DH and said, I don't understand. He said he didn't either but he was going to still obey. But now he drinks my hot tea whenever I make it.

Perhaps if Joseph smith had lived longer, he might have added to D&C 89, like he did several other sections in the D&C.

Probably but I doubt it would have cleared up whether or not trenbolone enthanate was acceptable to inject.

Mad Jax wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2017 7:23 pm Would using anabolic steroids be considered a violation of the word of wisdom, and keep a person out of the temple if they admitted it? Would that be up to each stake presidency as they see fit? What if the purpose of using them is to repair a physical problem (such as a bad joint)?

You know what? Medicine is medicine. I will probably end up relying on pot to help manage my chronic pain. (Ha! Chronic!)

When a person is using a potentially harmful substance recreationally, they should study up, get some advice, and then make a choice for themselves.

Those are my thoughts, anyway...

Hagoth wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2017 6:41 am For the life of me, I can't figure out why iced tea is a violation of the WoW but all you can eat red meat at Golden Corral isn't.

You know exactly why. It marks tribal affiliation. If we were surrounded by herds of tapirs, we'd be pigging out on roast tapir at Chuck-o-Rama.

Medicine is medicine.

They give women who just have birth a self-controlled morphine drip.

I do know of cancer patients who've used medical marijuana where it's legal.

I suppose the litmus test questions would be: is it legal? Is it being prescribed by a doctor?

achilles wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2017 11:37 am

Mad Jax wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2017 7:23 pm Would using anabolic steroids be considered a violation of the word of wisdom, and keep a person out of the temple if they admitted it? Would that be up to each stake presidency as they see fit? What if the purpose of using them is to repair a physical problem (such as a bad joint)?

You know what? Medicine is medicine. I will probably end up relying on pot to help manage my chronic pain. (Ha! Chronic!)

When a person is using a potentially harmful substance recreationally, they should study up, get some advice, and then make a choice for themselves.

Those are my thoughts, anyway...

Well... I was juicing. Wanted to get as.heavy as I could for my weight class before a fight. I never told my bishop about it and always wondered. I got it from a guy at the gym that my pal Carlo told me about.

I figured since roids weren't technically "mood altering' that I wasn't violating the spirit of the rule. But they were most definitely illegal.

Is it kosher in the fight scene? I didn't know you fight. MMA?

Defining "kosher" may be a bit hard. It will technically get you disqualified, but the tests are easy to pass (at least in my day) and everyone uses them and they know it.

Steroid tests look for an overabundance of chemicals which promote testosterone production. Different organizations have different standards on what they consider to be a valid positive for that standard. The amateur league in which I competed was headquartered in the state of Washington, which forced the promoters (who were shady as hell) to run tests of some kind. They weren't that interested in catching anybody.

I was clearly juicing way over what anybody should because even with it set up the way it was, I got caught before my third fight and disqualified from competition. Muay Thai was the style I competed in, though a stripped down version for the first two fights (i.e. restrictions on clinching, no elbows, really lame TBH).

Anon70 wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2017 12:16 am When I was young there was such a strict interpretation of the WOW. Now I see Mormons drinking cold coffee all the time. Coffee ice cream. Coffee candy. Iced tea. But yea there do seem to be a lot of gaps....

Interesting. I know there are tons of mormons who always have drank coffee. But is this becoming an acceptable thing in general? Or is it just in some odd apostate units?

PalmSprings wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2017 4:04 am

Anon70 wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2017 12:16 am When I was young there was such a strict interpretation of the WOW. Now I see Mormons drinking cold coffee all the time. Coffee ice cream. Coffee candy. Iced tea. But yea there do seem to be a lot of gaps....

Interesting. I know there are tons of mormons who always have drank coffee. But is this becoming an acceptable thing in general? Or is it just in some odd apostate units?

I find this interesting as well as it sounds like TBM family members seems to be doubling down. My mom now won't go to Starbucks to avoid the appearance of evil even though she says it is her favourite hot chocolate.

I've had two very different experiences with regard to perceptions of treating a chronic condition. One specialist prescribed a medication that contained a high dosage of caffeine combined with an ergotamine. I had someone tell me that taking it was breaking the WOW. A few years later I had a bishop ask me if I should consider medical marijuana. DH and I have talked about it but there are so many hoops to jump through. Since pot will be legal in Canada next year, I may just wait until then.....

PalmSprings wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2017 4:04 am

Anon70 wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2017 12:16 am When I was young there was such a strict interpretation of the WOW. Now I see Mormons drinking cold coffee all the time. Coffee ice cream. Coffee candy. Iced tea. But yea there do seem to be a lot of gaps....

Interesting. I know there are tons of mormons who always have drank coffee. But is this becoming an acceptable thing in general? Or is it just in some odd apostate units?

Whenever I ask I hear, it's not hot. It's not about the caffeine. So, why not?

Can of Worms wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2017 8:53 am

PalmSprings wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2017 4:04 am

Anon70 wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2017 12:16 am When I was young there was such a strict interpretation of the WOW. Now I see Mormons drinking cold coffee all the time. Coffee ice cream. Coffee candy. Iced tea. But yea there do seem to be a lot of gaps....

Interesting. I know there are tons of mormons who always have drank coffee. But is this becoming an acceptable thing in general? Or is it just in some odd apostate units?

I find this interesting as well as it sounds like TBM family members seems to be doubling down. My mom now won't go to Starbucks to avoid the appearance of evil even though she says it is her favourite hot chocolate.

I've had two very different experiences with regard to perceptions of treating a chronic condition. One specialist prescribed a medication that contained a high dosage of caffeine combined with an ergotamine. I had someone tell me that taking it was breaking the WOW. A few years later I had a bishop ask me if I should consider medical marijuana. DH and I have talked about it but there are so many hoops to jump through. Since pot will be legal in Canada next year, I may just wait until then.....

I took Starbucks hot cocoa to an early morning youth event for my kids and their friends. I got told it was giving the wrong impression and the appearance of evil. I laughed it off but I heard through ward members that it was discussed at length at a stake meeting and I was highly criticized.

Mad Jax wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2017 12:06 pm I figured since roids weren't technically "mood altering' that I wasn't violating the spirit of the rule. But they were most definitely illegal.

Here's the Word of Wisdom script from my 2 years of servitude:

NO:

• Coffe
• Tea
• Tobacco
• Illegal Drugs

So... If your statement above means that 'Roids are illegal according to the "law of the land", you're busted!

Unless of course you're using 'Roids for bruises and/or sick cattle, then they're totally OK!