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StarbucksMom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:13 pma) get up in conference and address spouses of disaffected members, and say that God wants them to put their marriages first.

Hagoth wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2017 4:18 pm Any member will tell you that what makes our church great is that it's led by prophets and apostles. They see the members as just trying to stay up to the standards of those men.

I think it's just the opposite!

If those guys would get out of the way, stop telling us who to persecute, and stop hogging all of the money, and stop wasting everybody's time with useless busywork, the good people of this church could really do some good in the world.

StarbucksMom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:13 pm The more I have thought about this, the more I feel like the Q 15 are not only NOT prophets, but they are corrupt.To me, the best example of this would be how they give talks saying you should pay your tithing before other bills or basic necessities. Then tell those awful stories about how some poor family on a remote island worked for 10 years doing back breaking labor to be able to afford to go to LDS Inc's luxurious temple to perform Masonic rituals. And don't forget that while this family slept on a dirt floor, ate scraps for dinner, and walked around in tattered clothes, they still paid their tithing to be "worthy" to go to the temple. Meanwhile, the 12 sit in their gated communities, making 6 figures with no kids left at home to support, and get numerous other benefits and perks for their families. They disgust me.

I also love how they refuse to:
a) get up in conference and address spouses of disaffected members, and say that God wants them to put their marriages first.
And b) apologize for the awful anti child/gay policy

You are right Hagoth, they need to get the Hell out of our way.

redjay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:31 am I want to hear an apostle say they welcome all genders, sexualities and stages of belief and unbelief, unconditionally. With a respect for each individual's personality, biology and stage of life.

moksha wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:10 am Makes me think of some lines from Luke 20:

45-47 With everybody listening, Jesus spoke to his disciples. “Watch out for the Conference speakers. They love to walk around in suits, preen in the radiance of public flattery, bask in prominent positions, sit at the head table at every church function. And all the time they are exploiting the weak and helpless. The longer their prayers, the worse they get. But they’ll pay for it in the end.”

Hagoth wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2017 4:18 pm Any member will tell you that what makes our church great is that it's led by prophets and apostles. They see the members as just trying to stay up to the standards of those men.

I think it's just the opposite!

If those guys would get out of the way, stop telling us who to persecute, and stop hogging all of the money, and stop wasting everybody's time with useless busywork, the good people of this church could really do some good in the world.

Corsair wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:41 pmI want to hear them quote 1 Corinthians 7:12-14 for the first time ever in recorded LDS history.

redjay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:31 am If they can tell the racists the blacks can be treated equal and to suck it up, they have the power to put this right

nibbler wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2017 7:25 am

redjay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:31 amThe problem (if you want to call it that) is the word "welcome." What does it mean.

So far it seems to mean welcome to stop being you and start being what we want you to be. But right now that isn't even an option for children of gay parents until they're 18.

Hagoth wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:02 pm

redjay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:31 am If they can tell the racists the blacks can be treated equal and to suck it up, they have the power to put this right

It might be different it there was an entire continent of potentially tribute-paying gay people that they could look forward to converting.

nibbler wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2017 7:25 am

redjay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:31 am I want to hear an apostle say they welcome all genders, sexualities and stages of belief and unbelief, unconditionally. With a respect for each individual's personality, biology and stage of life.

I can imagine an apostle saying exactly that... during this upcoming general conference no less. The problem (if you want to call it that) is the word "welcome." What does it mean?

I believe it would get translated into "love the sinner, not the sin" or "be nice to people, but continue to keep them at arm's length by not allowing them to hold certain callings, go to the temple, or participate fully in the community."

So while I can easily imagine an apostle inviting all to be more welcoming I think the apostle would have to go the extra mile, cite specifics, for the message to be received.

redjay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:02 am I'm mid 40s now, I could see me being in my 60's before we see the church as it should be,

LSOF wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:52 pm

redjay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:02 am I'm mid 40s now, I could see me being in my 60's before we see the church as it should be,

I'm not yet twenty, and I could see me in my sixties before we see the church as it should be.