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Re: Interesting New Leak: Power Point Presented To The 12 On Why People Leave
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:56 am
by Emower
document wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:39 am
Korihor wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:34 pm
Hagoth wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:46 pm
She was more bothered by the leak about General Authorities' kids getting an allowance until they're 25.
Wait, what? The kids get a cut, too?
Ditto, I don't remember this.
Yeah, the GA gets an allowance for having a kid until age 24. 100-200 bucks a month I think but that is more of an allowance I get from God for my kids. And if you have 4-5 kids, that's a lot of money.
Re: Interesting New Leak: Power Point Presented To The 12 On Why People Leave
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 9:29 am
by wtfluff
document wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:39 am
Korihor wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:34 pm
Hagoth wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:46 pm
She was more bothered by the leak about General Authorities' kids getting an allowance until they're 25.
Wait, what? The kids get a cut, too?
Ditto, I don't remember this.
It was a different leaked document than the "Threat Bubble" power point; Released the same day:
https://www.docdroid.net/mxGOLN6/living ... d.pdf.html
Re: Interesting New Leak: Power Point Presented To The 12 On Why People Leave
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:20 pm
by MoPag
Emower wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:56 am
Yeah, the GA gets an allowance for having a kid until age 24. 100-200 bucks a month I think but that is more of an allowance I get from God for my kids. And if you have 4-5 kids, that's a lot of money.
Doesn't Nelson have like 10 kids?
Re: Interesting New Leak: Power Point Presented To The 12 On Why People Leave
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:40 pm
by MoPag
Hagoth wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:47 pm
By the way, wouldn't you like to be a fly on the wall for the conversations about the disloyalty of the people leaking these things? They must find it infuriating beyond words.
Shout out to people supplying us with such "sacred" links!!!! You guys are awesome!!!
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Re: Interesting New Leak: Power Point Presented To The 12 On Why People Leave
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 3:32 pm
by fh451
MoPag wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:20 pmDoesn't Nelson have like 10 kids?
Jeez, stop with the anti-Mormon exaggeration - he only has 9.
fh451
Re: Interesting New Leak: Power Point Presented To The 12 On Why People Leave
Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 7:51 am
by MoPag
fh451 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2017 3:32 pm
MoPag wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:20 pmDoesn't Nelson have like 10 kids?
Jeez, stop with the anti-Mormon exaggeration - he only has 9.
fh451
Okay, Okay. They were one child shy of their tenth child.
Better?
Re: Interesting New Leak: Power Point Presented To The 12 On Why People Leave
Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 9:24 am
by fh451
MoPag wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2017 7:51 am
Okay, Okay. They were one child shy of their tenth child.
Better?
LOL - good apologist whispering!
fh451
Re: Interesting New Leak: Power Point Presented To The 12 On Why People Leave
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:31 pm
by Hagoth
I've been thinking about other things that should appear prominently on the slide of reasons people leave. There should be a large bubble that says "The Scriptures." Or better yet, rather than a far left to far right axis, they should have divided it into enemies of the church and friends of the church. I guess they don't realize that many people leave because of the lame-ass pro-church propaganda. They could shove most of the things in the current chart into the enemies of the church half and fill the other half with FARMS, FAIR, Bushman, The Scriptures, correlated material, etc.
Re: Interesting New Leak: Power Point Presented To The 12 On Why People Leave
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 1:50 pm
by 20/20hind
Hagoth wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:31 pm
I've been thinking about other things that should appear prominently on the slide of reasons people leave. There should be a large bubble that says "The Scriptures." Or better yet, rather than a far left to far right axis, they should have divided it into enemies of the church and friends of the church. I guess they don't realize that many people leave because of the lame-ass pro-church propaganda. They could shove most of the things in the current chart into the enemies of the church half and fill the other half with FARMS, FAIR, Bushman, The Scriptures, correlated material, etc.
What they leave out is personal/ organizational accountability. What they should ask ;..Is there anything we have done or could do better to stop the exodus?
Instead they label all the external factors and blame the membership for the apostasy they are encountering. Something's listed are just bizarre, like the porn, and sabbath day observance. Seriously? It just shows how out of touch and in love with themselves they are.
Re: Interesting New Leak: Power Point Presented To The 12 On Why People Leave
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 3:58 pm
by deacon blues
Good thoughts, Document. I loved the point you made about LDS working 10 times harder on indoctrination. Is this really necessary to convince people of the truth?
Re: Interesting New Leak: Power Point Presented To The 12 On Why People Leave
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 4:03 pm
by deacon blues
Good points, document. I like how you pointed out the LDS expend 10 times the effort that other denominations do to indoctrinate their youth. Is this really necessary if they have the "One and only true church?"
Re: Interesting New Leak: Power Point Presented To The 12 On Why People Leave
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:42 pm
by Not Buying It
Emower wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:56 am
document wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:39 am
Korihor wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:34 pm
Wait, what? The kids get a cut, too?
Ditto, I don't remember this.
Yeah, the GA gets an allowance for having a kid until age 24. 100-200 bucks a month I think but that is more of an allowance I get from God for my kids. And if you have 4-5 kids, that's a lot of money.
That can't be true. Number 4 on the LDSLiving list of "10 Reasons You Should Be Mormon" states
4. We have no paid clergy.
Most faiths have a paid bishop or pastor, and that's their life career. But out of our 14+ million members worldwide, from the prophet to the bishops to the members, NO ONE is paid. It is because of our faith in Christ and in the order which God has used to create His Church that we are all willing to volunteer much of our time to it.
http://www.ldsliving.com/10-Reasons-You ... on/s/80340
Re: Interesting New Leak: Power Point Presented To The 12 On Why People Leave
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 9:13 pm
by Brent
If no one is paid...why do they refer to changes to you paycheck due to allowance reduction?
Re: Interesting New Leak: Power Point Presented To The 12 On Why People Leave
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:37 pm
by Korihor
Brent wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2017 9:13 pm
If no one is paid...why do they refer to changes to you paycheck due to allowance reduction?
That's not honest inquiry.
Re: Interesting New Leak: Power Point Presented To The 12 On Why People Leave
Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:17 pm
by Emower
Not Buying It wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:42 pm
Emower wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:56 am
document wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:39 am
Ditto, I don't remember this.
Yeah, the GA gets an allowance for having a kid until age 24. 100-200 bucks a month I think but that is more of an allowance I get from God for my kids. And if you have 4-5 kids, that's a lot of money.
That can't be true. Number 4 on the LDSLiving list of "10 Reasons You Should Be Mormon" states
4. We have no paid clergy.
Most faiths have a paid bishop or pastor, and that's their life career. But out of our 14+ million members worldwide, from the prophet to the bishops to the members, NO ONE is paid. It is because of our faith in Christ and in the order which God has used to create His Church that we are all willing to volunteer much of our time to it.
http://www.ldsliving.com/10-Reasons-You ... on/s/80340
That magazine is represents everything I hate about Mormon culture. Seriously, can you get any more sycophantic?
Re: Interesting New Leak: Power Point Presented To The 12 On Why People Leave
Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 12:44 am
by 2bizE
Several years ago, bishops used to receive a living expense as well. I wonder why they eliminated it?
Re: Interesting New Leak: Power Point Presented To The 12 On Why People Leave
Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:37 am
by FiveFingerMnemonic
2bizE wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2017 12:44 am
Several years ago, bishops used to receive a living expense as well. I wonder why they eliminated it?
They and stake presidents got a percentage of tithing if I remember D. Michael Quinn"s Dialogue paper on finances correctly.
Re: Interesting New Leak: Power Point Presented To The 12 On Why People Leave
Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:00 am
by Newme
20/20hind wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2017 1:50 pm
Hagoth wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:31 pm
I've been thinking about other things that should appear prominently on the slide of reasons people leave. There should be a large bubble that says "The Scriptures." Or better yet, rather than a far left to far right axis, they should have divided it into enemies of the church and friends of the church. I guess they don't realize that many people leave because of the lame-ass pro-church propaganda. They could shove most of the things in the current chart into the enemies of the church half and fill the other half with FARMS, FAIR, Bushman, The Scriptures, correlated material, etc.
What they leave out is personal/ organizational accountability. What they should ask ;..Is there anything we have done or could do better to stop the exodus?
Instead they label all the external factors and blame the membership for the apostasy they are encountering. Something's listed are just bizarre, like the porn, and sabbath day observance. Seriously? It just shows how out of touch and in love with themselves they are.
I agree that they're missing the mote in their own eye, & the 3-hour block is funny because there's some truth to it.
I'd love to see them repent for teaching cognitive distortions, which have caused suffering (depression, anxiety etc), and to repent about stealing money from the poor and overcharging for worthiness (priestcraft) and misspending sacred funds.
But I don't think it'll happen, so I'm not going to stress too much about it - just some.
Re: Interesting New Leak: Power Point Presented To The 12 On Why People Leave
Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:49 pm
by Not Buying It
Emower wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:17 pm
Not Buying It wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:42 pm
Emower wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:56 am
Yeah, the GA gets an allowance for having a kid until age 24. 100-200 bucks a month I think but that is more of an allowance I get from God for my kids. And if you have 4-5 kids, that's a lot of money.
That can't be true. Number 4 on the LDSLiving list of "10 Reasons You Should Be Mormon" states
4. We have no paid clergy.
Most faiths have a paid bishop or pastor, and that's their life career. But out of our 14+ million members worldwide, from the prophet to the bishops to the members, NO ONE is paid. It is because of our faith in Christ and in the order which God has used to create His Church that we are all willing to volunteer much of our time to it.
http://www.ldsliving.com/10-Reasons-You ... on/s/80340
That magazine is represents everything I hate about Mormon culture. Seriously, can you get any more sycophantic?
Yeah, me too. I really can't stand it. I'm not sure what it is about it that sets me off so much - probably mostly the way it slavishly, unthinkingly, and uncritically rebroadcasts whatever the Brethren or their toadies happen to be saying at any given time. It represents Mormonism at its most sheep-like.
Re: Interesting New Leak: Power Point Presented To The 12 On Why People Leave
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:00 am
by Korihor
FiveFingerMnemonic wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:37 am
2bizE wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2017 12:44 am
Several years ago, bishops used to receive a living expense as well. I wonder why they eliminated it?
They and stake presidents got a percentage of tithing if I remember D. Michael Quinn"s Dialogue paper on finances correctly.
Really? Wow, I didn't know this. I could easily envision this in the first 100 years of the church, but not in fairly recent history.
Yes, I wonder why the eliminated it....?
