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moksha wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:34 am

Meilingkie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:43 pm Stake asks people for their income-tax statement ...in order to get a TR.

Sounds like a clear case of papercraft!

Why in the world do LDS people bend over backwards to go to the temple, pledge everything to the Church (not God mind you...the church), and take oaths and promises that have no history in Christianity at all?----all because we have been told we are going to hell if we don't?

What is the power of this organization!...WOW!

Rob4Hope wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:45 am

moksha wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:34 am

Meilingkie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:43 pm Stake asks people for their income-tax statement ...in order to get a TR.

Sounds like a clear case of papercraft!

Why in the world do LDS people bend over backwards to go to the temple, pledge everything to the Church (not God mind you...the church), and take oaths and promises that have no history in Christianity at all?----all because we have been told we are going to hell if we don't?

What is the power of this organization!...WOW!

The part I bolded is the allure of it, or it was for me at least. We had the true gospel, thought I, unsullied by sectarianism. I didn't much care for the Jesus hymns in the hymnbook like "Jesus, Saviour, Pilot Me"; I preferred the Mormon hymns like "Come, Come, Ye Saints".

Rob4Hope wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:45 am

moksha wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:34 am

Meilingkie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:43 pm Stake asks people for their income-tax statement ...in order to get a TR.

Sounds like a clear case of papercraft!

Why in the world do LDS people bend over backwards to go to the temple, pledge everything to the Church (not God mind you...the church), and take oaths and promises that have no history in Christianity at all?----all because we have been told we are going to hell if we don't?

What is the power of this organization!...WOW!

The promise of Eternal Life, worlds without end, with your family intact. That's the biggest hook you can imagine......especially for women, but men as well I think. The idea of losing your husband/wife and children to Hell or some lesser kingdom and never seeing them again ( or possibly just on special visits) is a pretty horrific fear motivator. And the ONLY way to achieve that Eternal Life is through the authorized ordinances of the one and only, verifiably, undeniably, absolutely true and faultless Church of Joseph Smith. As Eve said in the Garden, "Is there no other way?.....and Satan replied, "There is no other way....."

Korihor wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:48 am

2bizE wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:05 am Is there a way to listen to the broadcast?

Looks like Mr Dehlin already posted it on Mormon Stories podcast this morning.

GoodBoy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2017 2:04 pm It's posted to Youtube here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDwXepbc0H8

Like

Thanks to both of you. I don't have fb anymore, so this is good to know.

Uchtdorf is visiting, unexpectedly....
Wait and see

Meilingkie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:45 pm Uchtdorf is visiting, unexpectedly....
Wait and see

Will he attempt to plug the dike with a Dutch rescue? Maybe he was so impressed with you on the podcast that he had to meet you in person.

In the words of the legendary Paul McCartney:

Zuiderzee, Zuiderzee life goes on bro
La-la how the life goes on...

was remembering the promised second harvest in europe today.

The stuff of trickster gods at this stage me thinks:

https://www.lds.org/ensign/2000/07/news ... t?lang=eng

redjay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:02 am was remembering the promised second harvest in europe today.

The stuff of trickster gods at this stage me thinks:

https://www.lds.org/ensign/2000/07/news ... t?lang=eng

am I reading this correctly? the membership has grown from 1963 members in 2000, to 9541 members today? or maybe the 1963 is the goteborg stake only?

would that be considered a great 2nd harvest?

http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/facts-and ... try/sweden

Yes the larger number is for the whole of Sweden.

http://www.cumorah.com/index.php?target ... ind=Search

it would seem that over the last 20 years there has been no real growth. Certainly not a second harvest. I remember years ago the second harvest was excitedly spoken about, and then...nothing.

Anyone else here from Europe and remember it being spoken about?

redjay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:02 am was remembering the promised second harvest in europe today.

The stuff of trickster gods at this stage me thinks:

https://www.lds.org/ensign/2000/07/news ... t?lang=eng

The first thing to pop out at me is the Mattson twins being featured. They lost one of them.

Yes, I happened upon a link on FB to Han's story in the NY Times, as a TBM, I read it - then listened to my first mormon story podcast where the sincerity of Hans ripped the fabric of my world apart.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/21/us/so ... doubt.html

Meilingkie

Of the 9000 members in holland, how many of those would you say are active members? and how busy is the temple there?

redjay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:09 pm Yes, I happened upon a link on FB to Han's story in the NY Times, as a TBM, I read it - then listened to my first mormon story podcast where the sincerity of Hans ripped the fabric of my world apart.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/21/us/so ... doubt.html

In the NYT article about Hans Matteson, it says L tom perry went over there and told them he had a document in his briefcase that would solve all their doubts, but didn't show them anything. Then he returned and reported he had provided them with a document of information. Sounds a bit dishonest. I wonder what was in the briefcase? CES letter maybe?

2bizE wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:21 pm In the NYT article about Hans Matteson, it says L tom perry went over there and told them he had a document in his briefcase that would solve all their doubts, but didn't show them anything. Then he returned and reported he had provided them with a document of information.

(major headbang)

LostMormon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:14 pm Meilingkie

Of the 9000 members in holland, how many of those would you say are active members? and how busy is the temple there?

Active, acc to stats I got abt 1800 tops.
Temple regularly skips sessions because of lack of pruesthoodholders. Is open3 days/week

Any updates on unit closures? What parts of Europe are most affected, are places like Spain seeing consolidation of units?

Just bumping this thread. Are there any updates on closures?

With only 1,444 units in Europe, closing 800 would be devastating.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Churc ... ics#Europe

Was there ever a review of the Uchtdorf visit?

Hagoth wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:54 am Was there ever a review of the Uchtdorf visit?

Good question.

no1saint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:51 am Just bumping this thread. Are there any updates on closures?

With only 1,444 units in Europe, closing 800 would be devastating.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Churc ... ics#Europe

http://ldsunitgrowth.blogspot.com/2017/

According to the website above, so far in 2017 (as of July 17th) these countries have lost this number of units:

Netherlands: -7
Belgium: -6
England: -3
Ireland: -1
Germany: -2
Spain: -2
Portugal: -3

So that is 24 units closed that I have found. Some countries I checked had no changes.