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blazerb wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 9:38 am You can't love as Christ loved if your motive is to get them to join.

THIS!

After seeing the poor membership numbers yesterday, I can see why the focus on missionary work.

BULLSHIT! We expect them to join the church and if they don't we drop them. That's the reality.

I reacted to her story about the prodigal son, saying that the father forgave when he was so terribly hurt….but there is nothing that actually harmed the father compared to other sins. Let’s compare it to asking the abused child to forgive…nope, the child’s life is changed for the worse forever. I still have things in my life 60 years after the abuse. It is just not something that damaged the father. Cost him some money, disappointed him, but didn’t ruin his life.

My husband promptly turned off the TV and now I feel guilty for keeping him from watching.edited to add, I would react but this is the only way forgiveness to talked about.

Edited to add, They use these examples where any smuck can forgive easily and then tell abused kids they are worse then their offender because they haven’t healed. They even confuse forgiveness with being all the way over all the damage as if forgiveness is something you choose to do once and it fixes all the damage. They don’t do that to victims of drunk drivers who are injured, because they understand physical injury. But they have no clue as to the emotional damage, so they use stories like this, over and over.

Should we share our negative experiences too or are we to give them a false impression?

Focus on love. +10

Focus on love expecting nothing in return. +10

Underlying message that people will see how much we love then they'll want to join our church -10

Share means focus on Share our testimonies? -5

Dieter quote +10

Basic Be A Missionary talk. -10

alas wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 9:42 am I reacted to her story about the prodigal son, saying that the father forgave when he was so terribly hurt….but there is nothing that actually harmed the father compared to other sins. Let’s compare it to asking the abused child to forgive…nope, the child’s life is changed for the worse forever. I still have things in my life 60 years after the abuse. It is just not something that damaged the father. Cost him some money, disappointed him, but didn’t ruin his life.

Yep that was not good and could really be weaponized to further abuse victims.
At least she's female so her words won't carry the same weight as if one of the Q15 said them.

Mormorrisey wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 9:39 am After seeing the poor membership numbers yesterday, I can see why the focus on missionary work.

Did they post these? The only stats I could find were last updated in 2019. Where are these updates?

græy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 9:46 am

Mormorrisey wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 9:39 am After seeing the poor membership numbers yesterday, I can see why the focus on missionary work.

Did they post these? The only stats I could find were last updated in 2019. Where are these updates?

They were finally posted late last night on the newsroom site.

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... conference

Ringwood

After 3
Rusty Mention - 2
Rusty quote - 0

Jesus mention - 12
Jesus quote -3

Joseph Smith mention - 2
Joseph Smith quote -1

MoPag wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 9:47 amRingwood

+5 for a unique name.

blazerb wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 9:47 am

græy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 9:46 am

Mormorrisey wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 9:39 am After seeing the poor membership numbers yesterday, I can see why the focus on missionary work.

Did they post these? The only stats I could find were last updated in 2019. Where are these updates?

They were finally posted late last night on the newsroom site.

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... conference

Seems like its been stuck at 16 million for 3-4 years now.

Ringwood mentioning watching sports on tv +10

Focus on individual worth. +10

It also seems like speakers are focusing more on Bible stories over BofM stories.

Mormorrisey wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 9:50 am

Seems like its been stuck at 16 million for 3-4 years now.

..and maybe 5 million show up...maybe

lostinmiddlemormonism wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 9:53 am

Mormorrisey wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 9:50 am

Seems like its been stuck at 16 million for 3-4 years now.

..and maybe 5 million show up...maybe

I suspect you are being generous.

Mormorrisey wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 9:50 am

blazerb wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 9:47 am

græy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 9:46 am

Did they post these? The only stats I could find were last updated in 2019. Where are these updates?

They were finally posted late last night on the newsroom site.

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... conference

Seems like its been stuck at 16 million for 3-4 years now.

The official numbers first broke 16 million in 2017. I remember in 1989 being told that Kimball thought we had been stuck at baptizing 200,000 a year for too long. I'm guessing that the missionary department would be thrilled to get back up to that number.

lostinmiddlemormonism wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 9:48 am After 3
Rusty Mention - 2
Rusty quote - 0

Jesus mention - 12
Jesus quote -3

Joseph Smith mention - 2
Joseph Smith quote -1

Well, the women often throw the stats off by quoting Jesus more often.

Is the Mormon Youth Battalion still a thing?