NOM

+10 for current challenges not being our final destination.

Pretty meh.

Sometimes the primary president tries to give kid friendly talks. I kind of feel like she was trying to do that, but not really. It didn't pan out.

Soares

Oh goody, it's the ol' "sing a hymn so you won't masturbate" trope!!!

Seriously, has anyone actually tried that?

AdmiralHoldo wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 9:41 am Oh goody, it's the ol' "sing a hymn so you won't masturbate" trope!!!

Seriously, has anyone actually tried that?

I thought the same thing!

Just turn it off! Like a light switch!

AdmiralHoldo wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 9:41 am Oh goody, it's the ol' "sing a hymn so you won't masturbate" trope!!!

Seriously, has anyone actually tried that?

Yes, and now some hymns immediately bring some thoughts to mind.

AdmiralHoldo wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 9:41 am Oh goody, it's the ol' "sing a hymn so you won't masturbate" trope!!!

Seriously, has anyone actually tried that?

Yes, and after a while they get a strong urge when the congregation sings that hymn. Masturbation and the hymn become tied in the brain just like Pavlov’s dogs and the bell.

-10 for equating ANY "bad" desire to a sexual desire.

Why oh why is this church so obsessed with sex? I mean it certainly isn't because we were founded by a sexual predator.

alas wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 9:44 am

AdmiralHoldo wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 9:41 am Oh goody, it's the ol' "sing a hymn so you won't masturbate" trope!!!

Seriously, has anyone actually tried that?

Yes, and after a while they get a strong urge when the congregation sings that hymn. Masturbation and the hymn become tied in the brain just like Pavlov’s dogs and the bell.

AdmiralHoldo wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 9:41 am Oh goody, it's the ol' "sing a hymn so you won't masturbate" trope!!!

Seriously, has anyone actually tried that?

-10 for repeating useless advice.

a lot of teenagers are going to hate themselves after this talk...

-50

Good grief I feel like its the 90's and I'm back in YW and we are having a "very special" fireside on chastity.

-100 for encouraging scrupulousity. ONE bad thought will RUIN YOUR ENTIRE LIFE. Seriously, any mental health practitioner worth her salt will tell you this is UNHEALTHY AND WRONG.

+20 for giving a talk on sex without once mentioning sex. You really have to admire his creativity.

Someone's been reading Kimball and It's a Miracle if Anybody Gets Forgiveness a little too much

MoPag wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 9:47 am Good grief I feel like its the 90's and I'm back in YW and we are having a "very special" fireside on chastity.

Yes, I really hate that they make normal thoughts into sin.

I do have to give him +2 style points for that shinny lavender tie.

MoPag wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 9:47 am Good grief I feel like its the 90's and I'm back in YW and we are having a "very special" fireside on chastity.

Not much changed. I was in YM in the 80s and we had to watch that river video on chastity. Yuck.

Yeah, I tried to cut Soares some slack, since he's given some good talks in the past. But this is BAAAAAAAD. This is the kind of thing that leads LGBT and other youth to suicide. We should know by now that this kind of crap is NOT best practice.

Time for that great and well loved capitalist hymn..."We thank thee o God for a profit!"

-lost