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Re: Leadership Meeting Leak
Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:39 pm
by 2bizE
wtfluff wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2017 1:43 pm
oliver_denom wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2017 1:18 pm
But for the first one about agnosticism...why is divorce even a topic? I don't see any context for it either before or after this question. It's like "Oh, you're agnostic...well I would strongly suggest against your divorce plans." WTF? Who said anything about divorce?
I actually like that he encouraged NOT divorcing over agnosticism (if he even knows what agnosticism is. It kind of seems that way; Since his answer has NOTHING to do with the question.)
But... The ending of that "answer" is still plain old fear-mongering...
I agree. This is when a spouse loses their testimony in the divinity of the Q15. The spouse feels eternal life is void and divorce is the solution. This happens too often and to many of us NOMs.
Re: Leadership Meeting Leak
Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:09 am
by Hagoth
2bizE wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:39 pm
wtfluff wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2017 1:43 pm
oliver_denom wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2017 1:18 pm
But for the first one about agnosticism...why is divorce even a topic? I don't see any context for it either before or after this question. It's like "Oh, you're agnostic...well I would strongly suggest against your divorce plans." WTF? Who said anything about divorce?
I actually like that he encouraged NOT divorcing over agnosticism (if he even knows what agnosticism is. It kind of seems that way; Since his answer has NOTHING to do with the question.)
But... The ending of that "answer" is still plain old fear-mongering...
I agree. This is when a spouse loses their testimony in the divinity of the Q15. The spouse feels eternal life is void and divorce is the solution. This happens too often and to many of us NOMs.
But saying that divorce is not a option doesn't mean they're saying that the disbelieve should be embraced and accepted for their differences. I think it's saying that you shouldn't give up on trying to fix them.
Re: Leadership Meeting Leak
Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:00 am
by MoPag
Wait wait wait a second Perry,
Linked wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:37 pm
Q. How do you help a young man or young woman who comes in and says "I think that I'm gay"?
A. Elder Perry: Give them association with manly things, strong men that represent the ideal of
relationships, a man who is vigorous and knows the power he holds.
Do women on the LGBT spectrum just not exist to this guy or is this the advice he would give to lesbians as well.
Re: Leadership Meeting Leak
Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:13 am
by MoPag
MoPag wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:00 am
Wait wait wait a second Perry,
Linked wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:37 pm
Q. How do you help a young man or young woman who comes in and says "I think that I'm gay"?
A. Elder Perry: Give them association with manly things, strong men that represent the ideal of
relationships, a man who is vigorous and knows the power he holds.
Do women on the LGBT spectrum just not exist to this guy or is this the advice he would give to lesbians as well.
Oh I totally missed the 2nd page of this thread where Alas and Jeffret already discussed this.
Re: Leadership Meeting Leak
Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:36 am
by Linked
Hagoth wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:09 am
2bizE wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:39 pm
wtfluff wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2017 1:43 pm
I actually like that he encouraged NOT divorcing over agnosticism (if he even knows what agnosticism is. It kind of seems that way; Since his answer has NOTHING to do with the question.)
But... The ending of that "answer" is still plain old fear-mongering...
I agree. This is when a spouse loses their testimony in the divinity of the Q15. The spouse feels eternal life is void and divorce is the solution. This happens too often and to many of us NOMs.
But saying that divorce is not a option doesn't mean they're saying that the disbelieve should be embraced and accepted for their differences. I think it's saying that you shouldn't give up on trying to fix them.
Yes. And that can put a huge strain on the relationship. For the believer they double down on stuff they wouldn't naturally do, and for the non-believer they are dealing with someone who refuses to even attempt to understand them.