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The Chris Krebs testimony happening right now at the Senate hearing is worth watching.


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shrugged wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 10:05 am The Chris Krebs testimony happening right now at the Senate hearing is worth watching.

I wasn't aware of this. I'll try to catch up if I get a chance. Any interesting updates so far?

Hagoth wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:55 am

SaidNobody wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:59 pm But Snopes is not entrusted.

They are universally hated by Trumpers, anti-vaxxers, climate deniers, holocaust deniers, moon landing deniers, flat earthers, chemtrail believers, ancient alien enthusiasts, and Alex Jones listeners.

And from the tone of your commas you think that we are unjustified, am I right?

As always I don't know anything. But I have proven number of times that they're so-called facts lean in certain directions and oftentimes leave the impression that truth lies in a different direction than from where it came.

The old Mormon saying that the devil will tell you 99 truths to slip in one lie is in the mission statement of this particular group. (That's a lie I'm just saying that to make a point.)

You just need to trust them and they just need to tweak a couple of truths and they have done their job. Worth millions of dollars to some people.

I will tell you why however that so many of us deniers and conspiracy theories hate them. We often look for the truth. Of course we don't always find it in fact. In fact, we rarely we find it.

But say that we hear a rumor that Bill Gates was on the Jeffrey Epstein pedophile plane. You find a few pictures but they lack context and there are stories of witnesses and different things like that. You go to Snopes and ask that question as if someone might have actually researched this and they will say something like there is no official record of Bill Gates being on Jeffrey Epstein's plane.

It's just an example and probably isn't true I don't know. Another example might be that say I claim that the Earth can remove 5% of the carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere in one year. You go to Snopes and they will tell youthat the carbon in the atmosphere grows what 1/2% every year.

What I said was true. What snopes that is true. But they always lean into this idea that we are destroying the planet. However, there is more supporting that something is going on with the planets mechanical systems, that the volcanic activity is higher now than it has been in any time the last 2,000 years. 3/4 of the volcanoes are under the water. All of the planets are showing signs of heating up.

I'm not a climate denier in the sense that I don't see that something's happening. I deny first that we are causing it and second that there is anything that we can do about it. I'm not opposed to clean air at all. And it is hard to find real scientific data on how much volcanoes throw into the air and its effect on our atmosphere.

But one theory goes that one reason that the hurricanes are a little more often and a little bit worse than normal is because the oceans are warmer than the air. If the carbon was warming the air and thus warming the oceans it would be an opposite effect. The heat is in the ocean and going up into the air and that is what causes the storms.

Granted I'm not a very smart man and I'm not a scientist but you can get answers that make more sense then what they are pedaling has the global warming crisis.

What I hear climate activists is blah blah blah give me 13 trillion dollars and I'll fix it. Just like the pandemic they want us to give up our rights and our advantages to meet their vision of a good world. They want us to go to zero carbon which means giving them gasoline. And a lot of regular everyday electricity.

This would kill more people than anything. The chaos and the shutdown and the scramble for resources would be a bloodbath. Relying on a government to feed us is a nightmare.

This might sound cold, and before I will claim it, I don't believe the world is in danger. But if the world was going to reset due to our behavior I would rather live through that than to have the government decide who gets what and how long we get to use it. The planet killing us would be a quick reset then and nature would balance itself. But we are looking at long-term global oppression with climate change science.

Hagoth wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:09 am

shrugged wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 10:05 am The Chris Krebs testimony happening right now at the Senate hearing is worth watching.

I wasn't aware of this. I'll try to catch up if I get a chance. Any interesting updates so far?

I'm two hours in and they have hardly let Krebs talk at all. Just partisan bickering and Republican grandstanding.

SaidNobody wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:27 am What I hear climate activists is blah blah blah give me 13 trillion dollars and I'll fix it. Just like the pandemic they want us to give up our rights and our advantages to meet their vision of a good world.

I'm not going down those rabbit holes with you, SN.

Hagoth wrote:

Hagoth wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:09 am

shrugged wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 10:05 am The Chris Krebs testimony happening right now at the Senate hearing is worth watching.

I wasn't aware of this. I'll try to catch up if I get a chance. Any interesting updates so far?

I'm two hours in and they have hardly let Krebs talk at all. Just partisan bickering and Republican grandstanding.

Yeah, I stumbled on the tail end of Krebs disputing the claims of what I think was the forensic audit reports by ASOG, followed by him pleading for reasonable discourse as election workers, even ones who are Trump supporters, receive death threats. Then it went to the likes of Josh Hawley screeching that 74M voters feel disenfranchised and we shouldn’t tell them to feel otherwise. The more I watched the more it seemed like a Republican stunt. Other than a couple D senators asking questions, I didn’t see any attendees that weren’t Republicans, but I missed the beginning and then had to leave to run some errands before it was over. Sorry for the premature recommendation.


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Hagoth wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:35 pm

SaidNobody wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:27 am What I hear climate activists is blah blah blah give me 13 trillion dollars and I'll fix it. Just like the pandemic they want us to give up our rights and our advantages to meet their vision of a good world.

I'm not going down those rabbit holes with you, SN.

We're already halfway there.

shrugged wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:49 pm

Hagoth wrote:

Hagoth wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:09 am
I wasn't aware of this. I'll try to catch up if I get a chance. Any interesting updates so far?

I'm two hours in and they have hardly let Krebs talk at all. Just partisan bickering and Republican grandstanding.

Yeah, I stumbled on the tail end of Krebs disputing the claims of what I think was the forensic audit reports by ASOG, followed by him pleading for reasonable discourse as election workers, even ones who are Trump supporters, receive death threats. Then it went to the likes of Josh Hawley screeching that 74M voters feel disenfranchised and we shouldn’t tell them to feel otherwise. The more I watched the more it seemed like a Republican stunt. Other than a couple D senators asking questions, I didn’t see any attendees that weren’t Republicans, but I missed the beginning and then had to leave to run some errands before it was over. Sorry for the premature recommendation.


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Like trying to impreach a president for a phone call sort of stunt, or just trying to steal an presidential election sort of stunt?

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shrugged wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:49 pm

Hagoth wrote: I'm two hours in and they have hardly let Krebs talk at all. Just partisan bickering and Republican grandstanding.

Yeah, I stumbled on the tail end of Krebs disputing the claims of what I think was the forensic audit reports by ASOG, followed by him pleading for reasonable discourse as election workers, even ones who are Trump supporters, receive death threats. Then it went to the likes of Josh Hawley screeching that 74M voters feel disenfranchised and we shouldn’t tell them to feel otherwise. The more I watched the more it seemed like a Republican stunt. Other than a couple D senators asking questions, I didn’t see any attendees that weren’t Republicans, but I missed the beginning and then had to leave to run some errands before it was over. Sorry for the premature recommendation.


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Like trying to impreach a president for a phone call sort of stunt, or just trying to steal an presidential election sort of stunt?

Like trying to endanger the lives of election officials sort of stunt. Like Trump tweeting about putting the Republican governor and Secretary of State of Georgia in jail type of stunt.


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SaidNobody wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:27 am And from the tone of your commas you think that we are unjustified, am I right?

Sorry, I didn't realize you fall into all of those categories. I don't know how to inject tone into commas. I just use them for punctuation.

SaidNobody wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:27 am

Hagoth wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:55 am

SaidNobody wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:59 pm But Snopes is not entrusted.

They are universally hated by ... flat earthers...

And from the tone of your commas you think that we are unjustified, am I right?

Can you blame the flat earthers? They were winning until 10 PM and then sometime the next morning science was ahead.

President Donald Trump promoted the deranged idea that two Republican Georgia state officials could be put in jail over utterly baseless claims of election fraud, and Twitter noticed.

In a Tuesday morning tweet, pro-Trump attorney Lin Wood claimed that the president gave Gov. Brian Kemp (R-GA) and Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger “every chance to get it right. They refuse. They will soon be going to jail.”
https://www.mediaite.com/trump/backlash ... with-jail/

Sounds like his cabinet should declare Trump incompetent and install Pence to take his spot till Jan 20th.

moksha wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 6:54 pm Sounds like his cabinet should declare Trump incompetent and install Pence to take his spot till Jan 20th.

I've actually been afraid that Trump will resign and let Pence be president for a few days because there's nothing Pence wants worse, and in return Pence has to pardon Trump for any past crimes.

River

shrugged wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:49 pm

Hagoth wrote:

Hagoth wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:09 am
I wasn't aware of this. I'll try to catch up if I get a chance. Any interesting updates so far?

I'm two hours in and they have hardly let Krebs talk at all. Just partisan bickering and Republican grandstanding.

Yeah, I stumbled on the tail end of Krebs disputing the claims of what I think was the forensic audit reports by ASOG, followed by him pleading for reasonable discourse as election workers, even ones who are Trump supporters, receive death threats. Then it went to the likes of Josh Hawley screeching that 74M voters feel disenfranchised and we shouldn’t tell them to feel otherwise. The more I watched the more it seemed like a Republican stunt. Other than a couple D senators asking questions, I didn’t see any attendees that weren’t Republicans, but I missed the beginning and then had to leave to run some errands before it was over. Sorry for the premature recommendation.


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I couldn't find anything on CNN about this.

This says that the senate decided that Krebs lied. How do you feel like this hearing turn out? Are you convinced that there was a fraud? Or are you still going with, "stunt?"


https://www.oann.com/president-trump-se ... ly-denied/

River Morgan2 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:09 pm

moksha wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 6:54 pm Sounds like his cabinet should declare Trump incompetent and install Pence to take his spot till Jan 20th.

I've actually been afraid that Trump will resign and let Pence be president for a few days because there's nothing Pence wants worse, and in return Pence has to pardon Trump for any past crimes.

River

I'm still begging for someone to tell me what crimes Trump committed?

SaidNobody wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:34 pm https://www.oann.com/president-trump-se ... ly-denied/

And you say you're skeptical of news services? How about this:

SaidNobody wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:37 pm I'm still begging for someone to tell me what crimes Trump committed?

I dunno, what crimes do you suppose he thinks he'll need to pardon himself for?

Hagoth wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:43 pm

SaidNobody wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:37 pm I'm still begging for someone to tell me what crimes Trump committed?

I dunno, what crimes do you suppose he thinks he'll need to pardon himself for?

He didn't commit crimes. They impeached him for a phone "congratulations" phone call, and can you do us a favor? If they actually had a crime, don't you think they would have used it?

Please, name a crime, for the love of a happiness, please tell me what law he broke.

SaidNobody wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 10:12 pm Please, name a crime, for the love of a happiness, please tell me what law he broke.

He exceeded the number of lies allowable in one lifetime.

If arrested and convicted it might well be for income tax evasion. Of course, it could be on similar charges to the main characters on the Seinfeld Show.

SaidNobody wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:37 pm I'm still begging for someone to tell me what crimes Trump committed?

You seem to be under the impression that it was members of NOM who impeached Trump. Personally, I thought it was a bad idea, so I suggest you take it up with the people who did, or with the members of the bipartisan Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee (published AFTER the impeachment hearings) that found extensive evidence of Team Trump's Russian collusion:
https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sit ... olume5.pdf

I know you'll come back with articles from some alt-right propaganda websites to refute this. I would respond with my (in your opinion) leftist propaganda sources like the Failing New York Times and the commie NPR.

We'll just have to see how his rape case goes (I suspect nowhere) and whether or not the IRS decides to pursue his money laundering and tax evasion schemes.

But I don't care to go round and round about it, I have much better things to do, so I'm just going to leave it there.