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moksha wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 7:32 am Trumper will have their say today the US Supreme Court, who may toss out the entire thing and give it to Trump, or they might preserve the Constitution and follow the rules. This Trump court has already ruled that religious groups are exempt from COVID-19 regulations, completely reversing its stand before Justice Barrett.

By preserve the Constitution you mean toss out the evidence and go with CNN's opinion?

And what you meant by religious groups you meant religious freedoms right?

SaidNobody wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 7:44 am By preserve the Constitution you mean toss out the evidence and go with CNN's opinion?

By CNN's opinion do you mean the rulings of US Federal judges? By evidence do you mean the stuff that Trump's legal team was unable to find and present in any sort of even remotely convincing way that didn't cause Republican judges to call it "baseless," "without merit," and saying "“we condemn this conduct without reservation," and “we will follow the law“ ? The obvious lack of anything resembling credible evidence has even Trump's most sycophantic adherents like Bill Barr and Lindsey Graham telling him he needs to put up or shut up. I think it's both sad and hilarious that people are calling out ALL media as liars while completely falling for the stream of BS coming from Trump's Twitter feed. Mindboggling. I don't care whether it's reported by CNN, NPR, Fox, or Sinclair; they are all telling the same story. Trump lost fair and square. The only thing he will be remembered for in the history books is what a whiny bitch sore loser he was.

SaidNobody wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:39 pm Even if there wasn't obvious fraud, there are many situations where Republicans were ejected from the counting process. Also, in PA, the government had Act 77 2019 passed that allowed for mass mail-in ballots, but PA Constitution Article VII Section 14 restricts mail ballots to specific reasons. So the mail-in ballots violated the PA constitution. Sure, a lot of people thought it was convenient to have this law because of the pandemic, but how would the governor know about the pandemic in October of 2019? He legally blocked republican poll watchers which should a given from a fair election. Plus, he extended the voting period 3 days, which even the state shouldn't have the power to do. This is a national election, one state cannot randomly change the rules.

The constitutionality of PA mail in ballots is one of the few cases that has merits in my opinion. But we should clarify who put Act 77 in place. The Democratic Governor, Tom Wolfe, signed it, but the Republican controlled PA Senate and Republican controlled PA House passed it. I think it's debatable whether mail in ballots as enacted in Act 77 are a violation of the PA constitution, but let's say for the sake of argument that Act 77 is unconstitutional. The proper legal recourse will not and should not be the nullification of 2.5M Pennsylvanians votes. The bi-partisan PA government rolled-out mail in voting, posted instructions on their websites and in print. Voters in good faith followed those instructions and cast their votes. Now, only after the vote tally is done and the GOPs preferred candidate came up short, the GOP is claiming that the legislation they passed and implemented is unconstitutional. The courts will not punish the voters for following the instructions in their state because of sloppy legislation. They may suspend mail in voting for future elections until the legislature can refine legislation and/or amend the state constitution, but they will not do as requested by the plaintiff and nullify 2.5M votes cast based on the state's instructions or send the election to the state legislature. The first option is a vulgar civil rights violation, the second is a violation of PA Constitution Article VII, Section 13 (Courts determine contested elections, not legislatures). Had the suit been brought up in a timely fashion after it was adopted in October 2019, voters would have known to vote in person or by traditional absentee ballot instead.

If you're candidates only path to victory is the following:

PA GOP passes Act 77.
PA GOP Senate lists Act 77 as an accomplishment in their year-in-review.
PA bi-partisan government implements Act 77 and with it mail in voting.
PA voters vote in compliance with bi-partisan implementation of Act 77.
Trump comes up short.
PA GOP now claims Act 77 and their instructions to voters were unconstitutional.
Toss out 2.5M Americans' votes.

And your candidate is willing to pursue that path, then your candidate is pathetic and more interested in obtaining power than fair elections.

Accepting ballots past election day is not a violation of federal election law, not unique to PA, nor something new. Votes have to be postmarked by election day, proving they were cast by election day. Votes received in PA in the 3 days following Nov 3 have been kept separate from the vote tallies and are not enough to change the outcome.

Biden doesn't need PA to win anyways.

Obviously I don't have much physical evidence. But there exists a lot.

But here are some curiosities to consider.
Trump won 18 of the 19 bellwether counties. Bellwether counties are known for predicting the common consensus of the nation. In other words, in the last 30 years or so they voted for the wrong president one time or less. They got it right last time but this time 95% off.

Trump got more votes than any other president in history. Oddly Joe Biden got almost 10 million more than Trump campaigning out of his basement.

Joe Biden got 80 million votes but only 17% of the counties in the United States.

Enthusiasm wins elections. For Trump enthusiasm was pegged into the red and for Biden it was just one notch above dead.

Those are just antidotal questions that are a little bit hard to answer. Hopefully they're real evidence will make it to the supreme Court and Justice will be had.

When people vote for the president they also tend to vote for the people down ballot that will support their president. Republicans picked up every toss-up seat in the house but people somehow forgot to vote for their president.

Yes I'm aware that there's always an explanation for these things. Trump broke the system this time with the bellwether counties. Democrats got out and got extra voters. In my state we show that people left the Democratic Party and 10 times as many join the Republican Party. Somehow we still lost.

There are tons of things that say we won this election. But I understand that it requires a indisputable proof which I think we can easily provide. We are told that Rudy Giuliani has covid-19 but some on the underground say that he is actually off doing military trials.

We'll see I guess.

SaidNobody wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:44 am Obviously I don't have much physical evidence. But there exists a lot.

This is exactly what Mormons say about the Book of Mormon. It's what flat earthers say about the disk. It's what Sasquachians say about Bigfoot. It's what UFOlogists say about human/alien hybrids.

Evidence that "exists" but can't be examined is only rumor.

The Supreme Court will see exactly the same empty vacuum, and Trump's packing of the court in his favor will not be the ticket to stealing the election that he designed it to be. At least, that's what my 8-ball tells me and so far it's been as reliable as any prophet or pollster.

SaidNobody wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:44 am We are told that Rudy Giuliani has covid-19 but some on the underground say that he is actually off doing military trials.

You lost me, SN. What exactly does that mean?

BREAKING: The Supreme Court has just rejected a bid by Pennsylvania Republicans to nullify President-elect Joe Biden's victory in the Keystone State, dealing another blow to the long-shot legal effort by President Trump and his allies to overturn the election in the courts.


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shrugged wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:11 pm BREAKING: The Supreme Court has just rejected a bid by Pennsylvania Republicans to nullify President-elect Joe Biden's victory in the Keystone State, dealing another blow to the long-shot legal effort by President Trump and his allies to overturn the election in the courts.

Trusty ol' 8-Ball!

Did they really think there was even the slimmest chance the Supreme Court would defy constitutional law and throw away millions of citizens' votes that had already been certified?

Hagoth wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 2:56 pm

SaidNobody wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:44 am We are told that Rudy Giuliani has covid-19 but some on the underground say that he is actually off doing military trials.

You lost me, SN. What exactly does that mean?

I think it means he’s on vacation with his mistress??

Red Ryder wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 4:43 pm

Hagoth wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 2:56 pm

SaidNobody wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:44 am We are told that Rudy Giuliani has covid-19 but some on the underground say that he is actually off doing military trials.

You lost me, SN. What exactly does that mean?

I think it means he’s on vacation with his mistress??

Or checking to see if there is a military application for that brown liquid oozing from Rudy's head (and possibly his flatulence as well). This might be occurring at the Four Seasons Souvenir Shop near Area 51.

Hagoth wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 2:53 pm

SaidNobody wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:44 am Obviously I don't have much physical evidence. But there exists a lot.

This is exactly what Mormons say about the Book of Mormon. It's what flat earthers say about the disk. It's what Sasquachians say about Bigfoot. It's what UFOlogists say about human/alien hybrids.

Evidence that "exists" but can't be examined is only rumor.

The Supreme Court will see exactly the same empty vacuum, and Trump's packing of the court in his favor will not be the ticket to stealing the election that he designed it to be. At least, that's what my 8-ball tells me and so far it's been as reliable as any prophet or pollster.

Let us keep in mind that while I might see a deeper truth I am still Mormon.

shrugged wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:11 pm BREAKING: The Supreme Court has just rejected a bid by Pennsylvania Republicans to nullify President-elect Joe Biden's victory in the Keystone State, dealing another blow to the long-shot legal effort by President Trump and his allies to overturn the election in the courts.


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A lot of this game is over my head that is true. But just so we're calling the game as we see it Texas has sued Pennsylvania and several other states for the mishandling of their elections. And several states have joined Texas and their suit. And now Trump has tweeted that they will intervene somehow in this suit. Nothing is decided yet.

No matter what happens there shall be many unhappy people.

moksha wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 4:49 pm

Red Ryder wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 4:43 pm

Hagoth wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 2:56 pm
You lost me, SN. What exactly does that mean?

I think it means he’s on vacation with his mistress??

Or checking to see if there is a military application for that brown liquid oozing from Rudy's head (and possibly his flatulence as well). This might be occurring at the Four Seasons Souvenir Shop near Area 51.

the continued mocking of someone's insecurities and failed abilities to cover them up it still looked upon as shallow and demeaning. But to answer the other question about the military I'm not sure. Some say that there is Court hearings of different levels of power going on behind the scenes. but of course there is no way to validate or prove that.

The conspiracy theory spirit is that I convey the idea is that yes shit is happening behind the scenes that we are not aware of and that is influencing the game overall. The idea that we see all of the pieces and who are moving them is quite ridiculous in my mind.

SaidNobody wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 12:27 pm And now Trump has tweeted that they will intervene somehow in this suit. Nothing is decided yet.

No doubt, having failed to deliver ANY evidence, and having failed to warp the Supreme Court to do his bidding, he will continue to do more and more drastic and desperate things. If the time comes when he calls on his devotees to rise up and start shooting their political leaders and neighbors will you be willing to join in the slaughter?

Hagoth wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 12:49 pm

SaidNobody wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 12:27 pm And now Trump has tweeted that they will intervene somehow in this suit. Nothing is decided yet.

No doubt, having failed to deliver ANY evidence, and having failed to warp the Supreme Court to do his bidding, he will continue to do more and more drastic and desperate things. If the time comes when he calls on his devotees to rise up and start shooting their political leaders and neighbors will you be willing to join in the slaughter?

It's funny how you continue to insist that there is no evidence. 19 states are suing Pennsylvania and four other states for violating their own constitutional rules for the voting process doesn't seem like evidence to you. Their comment is "how can we tell our citizens that we follow the rules but the other states didn't have to?"

I will not shoot anyone for Trump. I doubt most of his supporters would. There are of course always extremists in any group. Antifa really doesn't need anyone to tell them to attack and they do it anyway.

How do you answer that question?

SaidNobody wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:25 pm It's funny how you continue to insist that there is no evidence.

It doesn't have anything to do with me. I'm just repeating the rulings of every judge who has looked at it. Who are you getting your conclusions from?

SaidNobody wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:25 pm 19 states are suing Pennsylvania and four other states for violating their own constitutional rules for the voting process doesn't seem like evidence to you.

Nope, not at all. It's a joke. This lawsuit was started by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton whose own staff, including his closest aids, are calling for him to be investigated for improper influence, abuse of office, bribery and other potential criminal acts.

This is just another big, empty noise.

Here's how University of Texas law professor Stephen Vladeck described it: “It looks like we have a new leader in the ‘craziest lawsuit filed to purportedly challenge the election' category.”

The fact that other people are willing to attach themselves to something so lame is just kind of sad. I shook my 8-ball and it said " "

SaidNobody wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:25 pm I will not shoot anyone for Trump... How do you answer that question?

Glad to hear it. If I show up at your doorstep it will be with a plate of cookies, not a rifle.

SaidNobody wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:25 pm19 states are suing Pennsylvania and four other states for violating their own constitutional rules for the voting process doesn't seem like evidence to you.

More Republican Attorney Generals signed on than there were states in the Confederacy. This is pretty much tantamount to requesting the dissolution of the United States. Voting will not give them the dictator they are craving, so they wish to end the democratic process. Hopefully, Hagoth is right that the Supreme Court will boot this out of court.

BTW, how would Utah's AG Sean Reyes, who signed onto to tossing the votes from other states, react to other states objecting to how Utah raises its hand to the square?

moksha wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 9:34 pm Hopefully, Hagoth is right that the Supreme Court will boot this out of court.

The act of suing is not proof of anything. Proof is what you are required to produce once you get before the judge. In case anybody hasn't noticed, Trump and his team have fallen flat at every turn. Because they have nothing but hot air. I can't believe people still think there's a rabbit in that hat.

Paxton is desperate to keep Trump in power because he's a fellow conman who desperately needs Trump's protection. Besides these new charges from his closest colleagues he was indicted and booked into jail on felony charges related to securities fraud, with a trial still pending. And is now he's fighting bribery charges for illegal favors made to wealthy donors. He's making an outlandish move to get Trumps affection because a presidential pardon would really come in handy with the wolves closing in on him.

I find it interesting that the attorneys general who behind the amicus brief are from red states that Trump won, but the Republican attorneys general from the states in question do no support the lawsuit. They know there was no fraud in their states.

There is very little chance anyone on the Supreme Court will take this seriously. It is Texas calling for other states to choose new electors to overturn the vote that those states have already certified, recounted, certified, and overturned baseless lawsuits that presented no evidence of voter fraud. Texas doesn’t have any kind of standing to raise these claims in the first place because it has no say over how other states choose electors.

Just another clownish publicity stunt.