Reuben wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 6:54 pm
stealthbishop wrote: ↑Mon Feb 21, 2022 8:22 am
Reuben wrote: ↑Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:47 am
Women in charge: good, because... ?
Men in charge: bad, because they dominate and enslave women
I don't understand this perspective at all. It seems to assume women are incapable of dominating and enslaving men, or oppressing them in some way. Is that true? Do we know how egalitarian these matriarchal societies were?
Do we know much about them at all?
I really don't get this. I would like someone to enlighten me - with an argument that doesn't hinge on men = bad, women = good, because I don't buy that for a millisecond.
Hmmm, I wonder why we don't know about them?
Men don't need to be all fragile to accept that men have dominated and continue to dominate the power structures of the world. It's right in front of our faces. This straw man of women "enslaving", "oppressing", and "dominating" men just sounds silly. Nobody is arguing that or has ever argued that. Let's put our big boy underwear on and look at reality and create a better world.
You seem to be saying that women can't enslave, oppress, or dominate men. You seem to think it's so silly that I can't possibly be saying that it's possible. Therefore I
must be making an argument in bad faith.
I'm not. As much as I can, I like to keep all the possibilities in mind. Apparently, some of those possibilities are silly to you. Fine.
I asked for explanations. I got some. It turns out "matriarchal" and "patriarchal" don't mean the same thing but with different gender, which is hella confusing. Also fine.
"Fragile." "Big boy underwear." Usually I enjoy your posts, and I often agree with your perspective. But this post is presumptive, accusatory, and condescending. I won't engage further.
Women don’t dominate men for a variety of reasons, one, on average men are physically stronger, hard to boss around someone who is stronger. Another is psychological in the fact that women nurse and are primary care takers of infants. Means males first love interest is his mother who is different than he is. In order to “be a man” he has to separate and “other” the first person he loved, so men “other” women, while women bond to someone like them, and then loving their father is extra another person to love, instead of different and “other”. So, men see women as “not like me” while females see men as “not like mama”. Very Freudian, but then it is psychology. Then there is testosterone, which encourages men to be aggressive to fight for mates. My mother joked that men suffer from testosterone poisoning, but very real difference psychologically with men needing to dominate and women being more about networking.
So, your hypothetical is way out in left field crazy, because women are not men and women have no need to control and dominate men, and a matriarchal society in which women dominate men and abuse and control men is psychologically, well, it is projecting your own thinking onto women. There has never been a society in which women dominate men. Women give birth to men, and if you even half understand a mother’s bond with her baby, then you would see that women are never going to “other” men and want to dominate them the way men have done to women.
That may sound “men hating” to you, but you are not getting it. There has never been a society that the women ruled over men because women are not men. Women have different vices. Women don’t dominate and control and desire to “rule over” like men do because they are not men. Women have different vices.
It isn’t a matter of “it is a possibility” because if it WAS a possibility, then it would have happened. Psychologically, women are not into “ruling over” and hierarchy like men are, as a general rule. Sure, there are women who do, but then there are men who are gay and transgender too, but as a general rule, it is not women’s nature to want to control men like property or pets. Women see the humanity of men in ways that men do NOT see the humanity of women.
So, yeah, stop being so fragile and put on your big boy panties. Men have ruled over, controlled and abused women in ways most women would NEVER do to men. But that isn’t saying men = bad, women = good. And, well, if it is, then damn it, the men deserve it. When they behave badly, why can’t we call them on it. But really, it is saying that men have their faults and women have different faults. If a woman is the rare bird who does want to dominate and control men, she becomes a dominatrix and gets rich as a hooker. But the men go out and rape and murder. So, yeah, there is a little women = good, men = bad, but that is the world we live in, so get over yourself. Do women get angry, yup, we sure do when men use fear of being dominated as a damned excuse to dominate and control women. So, just stop and go look in the mirror. Stop dominating women long enough that you find out if they take advantage of it and start dominating you. Stop fearing that women are going to do to you what you have been doing to them, trust that if you stop beating up on women that they might actually like you better. One gender does not need to “be in control”. You control you and let them control themselves. The fear that men have is used as an excuse to keep controlling women. Men teach it to each other, as justification for being in control. “If we don’t rule over the women, they will rule over us.” Bullshit!
Whites do the same thing to justify racist attitudes.
There, you got me pissed. I tried to explain nicely, but you say it doesn’t make sense. So, I explain it like you are using your fear to abuse women.
