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I'm sorry, but I missed they Y getting defaced. Can you provide a reference for that? All I say was stories where people shone colored lights on the Y. Lights are not defacing anything. Legally, defacing is to destroy or mar the face or surface of. Flashlights do not damage or mar the surface of it. As I said, at most they may be able to complain about someone leaving the marked trail to walk up and down the sides of the Y. And even that would be a real stretch to actually press any charges.Blashyrkh wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:12 pmCan anyone go deface or change something not belonging to them because they disagree with the groups politics or beliefs?Just This Guy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:53 pm Are you allowed off the trail and onto the Y itself without permission? In most cases with Forest Service land, you can walk the trails, but they do not want you leaving the marked paths. I don't know how this applies to the Y.
Shinning colored flashlights on the Y did no damaged to it. So, no the principle isn’t the same as painting something on a building or even posting on a website. Paint on a building has to be removed as does offensive material on a website. But light shinning on a building does not have to be removed. I am just not sure what you mean by “posting” something on a building. Do you take it down as you leave or leave something that has to be removed. And, yes, the church could shine any kind of flashlight onto any building with a gay flag on it. Just like some anti trumpers projected some anti trump stuff onto trump’s hotel. There wasn’t a thing trump could do because it was only light being shone onto his property.Blashyrkh wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:12 pmI personally don't think it matters. No one has answered my question if it is ok for me to go post pictures of aborted babies on the windows of planned parenthood. Can a neo-Nazi post swastikas on a synagogue? Yes, these may be a little bit different but the principle remains the same. Can anyone go deface or change something not belonging to them because they disagree with the groups politics or beliefs? So what if the church doesn't like gays that's much. I would be that gays don't like the church too much. If it's ok for the LGBTQ to do this to their opposition's property then it goes without saying that it would be ok for the church to have the deacons post Leviticus 20:13 on every building that has a rainbow flag on it.Just This Guy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:53 pm Are you allowed off the trail and onto the Y itself without permission? In most cases with Forest Service land, you can walk the trails, but they do not want you leaving the marked paths. I don't know how this applies to the Y.
If you'd like to create a flashlight that can shine pictures of aborted babies onto a planned parenthood building, or shine swastikas on a synagogue, I'm pretty sure that you could find some folks who would support you in your efforts to "prove your point." Pretty sure you could claim it is within your "free speech" rights also.
I'm pretty sure it would be just fine if deacons shined blue flashlights on those buildings in honor of BYU.
Even the most obedient LDS judge would have a hard time with the argument that flashlight beams defaced BYU's property. To make that argument stick, you would have to deal with the BYU Honors Committee. In all honesty, this was a protest event that Gandhi would have labeled as being brilliant (and colorful).
If it's ok for the LGBTQ to do this to their opposition's property
Sounds like an interesting idea. Would you have them use spray paint or a flashlight?...then it goes without saying that it would be ok for the church to have the deacons post Leviticus 20:13 on every building that has a rainbow flag on it.
Because it's not just about differing beliefs. It's about discrimination. if people who are discriminated against aren't willing to stand up for themselves, nobody will! Maybe Rosa Parks should have just stayed at the back of the bus. Maybe Dr. King should have just accepted things as they were and not cluttered up the Edmund Pettit bridge. Maybe Cesar Chavez should have told migrant workers just to be grateful for what they had. Maybe women should have just kept their mouths shut and stayed in the kitchen where they belong. I'm sure everything would have just taken care of itself.
Sure, but have you tried to look at it from their point of view, and have you considered how history has treated them? Do you not think that our sexuality has been forced in their faces? Have you seen the numbers of homeless and suicidal kids in Utah who have been sidelined by family and church? I care because I know and love some of these very good, sincere and kind young people - some of them are among the most giving, selfless, and caring people I know. Go look at who's risking their health in COVID-land to help the homeless, deliver meals to the elderly, etc. and you will see that the LGBT community is overrepresented. And I promise you this isn't about trying to make everyone submit to their ways; it's about trying to be accepted as human beings.Blashyrkh wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:29 pm The problem I see is that the LGBTQ community won't stop forcing their sexuality in everyone's face until everyone submits to their way. Not everyone is going to like you. They never will. Regardless of whatever trait you may have. Red hair, dark skin, short, tall, ugly whatever.
Can we assume that you were equally upset when BYU students lit up the " U " in BLUE?Blashyrkh wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 6:35 pm Both of these examples are what I find childish. Believe what you want. Love who you want. Hate who you want etc. But leave others who may disagree with you alone. If the "Y" doesn't belong to you, leave it alone. If you aren't part of a protest, don't go down there looking for a fight with those you disagree with. Its not just about the Y. I could not care less about the Y. I wish the church would implode on itself. What I disagree with is messing with (even if it's just flashlights) other people's private property because you disagree with a, b or c. Let people hate who they want and love who they want. Just leave people alone.
I hear what you're saying, but the point of this whole discussion is that people were upset about this BECAUSE these LGBTQ kids, not because they shined colored lights. Do you really think so many people would have gotten all bent out of shape if a bunch of straight kids had hiked up there yesterday and illuminated the Y with green lights for St. Patrick's Day?
2078?1smartdodog wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:36 am It tells me the church has so lost the gay battle. I wonder when they will realize it.
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