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Hagoth wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:43 am Barring cremation, I'm also considering building my own coffin out of cheap pine and sticking it in the basement until needed.

There were a couple of homemade coffins at funerals in a ward I lived in for a while. One had written on it "Return to sender." (That's what the deceased wanted.)

moksha wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:17 pm My kids balked at the idea of duct-taping me into several Hefty bags and setting me out by the curb.

My mom wanted to be put in a tree where the coyotes could eat her. Didn't happen, though. (She didn't write it down, and it's probably illegal, anyway.)

I like the Viking sendoff. My kids are not as weird as me, so it probably wouldn't happen.

The idea that somehow it is harder to resurrect is not logical. Our bodies are made up of atoms and molecules that have been recycled many times. You may have atoms that once belonged to Socrates. So who gets the atom in the resurrection?

If you believe in such things it makes more sense for god to create a new body from scratch. Why deal with left over parts when you can get something new off the showroom floor.

It is really your conciseness that counts. That should be able to be plugged into any body. Maybe even a robot body.

So cremations seems a good way to dispose of left over parts. We don’t hang on to old clothes, put them in a box and bury them in fear we may need them again some day. We wear them out burn them and get new.

Frankly i do not want this body to be resurrected. I want a new faster, stronger better looking model. Would be nice to do a little shopping around, compare models and get the best deal.


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Yobispo wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:42 pm....Since my dad got sick so soon after her, we actually got to talk to dad about it and it was so, so fresh. He just wanted us to not fight. We’re all pretty close, so we picked a weekend last summer and got places at Pajaro Dunes in the Monterey Bay where we vacationed as a family when we were kids. We had a fire on the beach at low tide and dug a hole for their ashes near the water and then sat around and told stories and laughed and cried and had a very special evening. In the morning the tide had come and gone with my mom and dad together. It was exactly what my folks would have wanted. (Now I’m crying with a smile).....

I love this so much. Thanks for sharing it with us.

My wish is to be cremated and then stuck on a shelf. No need to have an immediate party that I'm gone. Until that happens, I'll just be resting on the shelf in one of my kids' home temporarily. I want to not be a sudden burden on people. People need to have a chance to schedule and arrange their travel a little more reasonably. I also want to give just a little time for people be able to smile and laugh and not cry. When the party is held, it'll be catered buffet style with an assortment of my favorite foods and beverages. My favorite music will be played and there will be a slideshow/video with pictures of the people I love and care about. An irreverant life sketch and then some open mic time. When it's over, I'll resume my position back on the shelf. I kinda like the idea of staying there until my wife joins me. When the time comes, I want my ashes to be spread in the ocean. I love the way Yobispo and siblings/family did a send off for their parents. What a perfect finale!!

Hagoth wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:04 am Best funeral ever:
I have a loose bunch of friends who build sailboats and expedition rowing boats. One of them died and his grandson suggested a Viking funeral. One of the guys built a yard-long replica of a Viking ship, filled it with tinder and gunpowder and poured the cremated remains on top. We lit the fuse and sent it sailing across Lake Powell (our common cruising place). A couple of hundred yards out it went up in flames while we stood on the shore in Viking hats and drank mead from ceramic cups thrown by another participant.

I love it. This kind of thing is so much more meaningful.

I'm always struck by LDS who offer "How will God reconstruct your body if it's been destroyed? You need to be buried so God can rebuild you." Uhhhh...what if I'm eaten by a shark or atomized by a nuclear weapon? Sometimes Latter-day Saints don't get how powerless they make God through their own prejudices.

Brent wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:49 am I'm always struck by LDS who offer "How will God reconstruct your body if it's been destroyed? You need to be buried so God can rebuild you." Uhhhh...what if I'm eaten by a shark or atomized by a nuclear weapon? Sometimes Latter-day Saints don't get how powerless they make God through their own prejudices.

It's just another symptom of a culture where people are unaccustomed to thinking about things below the surface level.

Random wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 7:04 pm I like the Viking sendoff. My kids are not as weird as me, so it probably wouldn't happen.

My kids would love it. Well, two out of three and the third would just roll his eyes while happily adding wood to the fire. The oldest dresses up and plays medieval and about half the time is her Viking character, and the middle child and wife actually worship the old Viking gods. So, the oldest cold provide everyone with authentic wardrobe, while the Viking priestess could perform a real Viking funeral service. My youngest would just be so happy that I didn’t request bagpipes that he would be delighted with anything else. My only worry is that they would want to do this so badly they would poison me so they could do it sooner. Do I have weird kids?

Brent wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:49 am I'm always struck by LDS who offer "How will God reconstruct your body if it's been destroyed? You need to be buried so God can rebuild you." Uhhhh...what if I'm eaten by a shark or atomized by a nuclear weapon?

Okay, you've convinced me. I'm changing how I request to be "buried."

alas wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2020 5:24 pm My youngest would just be so happy that I didn’t request bagpipes that he would be delighted with anything else. Do I have weird kids?

Yes, failure to appreciate bagpipes, whether Scottish or Irish, is listed in the DSM-5. For treatment, you might consider playing something with pan pipes in the background at your house.

Brent wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:49 am I'm always struck by LDS who offer "How will God reconstruct your body if it's been destroyed? You need to be buried so God can rebuild you."

What if you have been buried, eaten by worms, excreted by worms, had those ingredients become part of an oak tree, and now the remains of the oak tree have become part of the podium at the Palmdale Stake Center?

BTW, this may come as a surprise and a point of contention for some LDS, but Elder Antoine Lavoisier, of the Chateau Romney Ward, determined that matter can neither be created nor destroyed - only changed.

alas wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2020 5:24 pm My kids would love it. Well, two out of three and the third would just roll his eyes while happily adding wood to the fire. The oldest dresses up and plays medieval and about half the time is her Viking character, and the middle child and wife actually worship the old Viking gods. So, the oldest cold provide everyone with authentic wardrobe, while the Viking priestess could perform a real Viking funeral service.

I love it!

My youngest would just be so happy that I didn’t request bagpipes that he would be delighted with anything else.

My only worry is that they would want to do this so badly they would poison me so they could do it sooner.

Do I have weird kids?

Wonderfully weird. But you have me thinking. If my oldest daughter could see the logic in it (got involved in Viking religion), she might be persuaded to try it. My youngest would probably love a bonfire. My middle, I dunno.

1smartdodog wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 8:35 pm The idea that somehow it is harder to resurrect is not logical. Our bodies are made up of atoms and molecules that have been recycled many times. You may have atoms that once belonged to Socrates. So who gets the atom in the resurrection?

If you believe in such things it makes more sense for god to create a new body from scratch.

Totally agree.

Reuben wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:39 pm

Brent wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:49 am I'm always struck by LDS who offer "How will God reconstruct your body if it's been destroyed? You need to be buried so God can rebuild you." Uhhhh...what if I'm eaten by a shark or atomized by a nuclear weapon?

Okay, you've convinced me. I'm changing how I request to be "buried."

Wait. You're gonna ask to be eaten by a shark or thrown into a nuclear reactor?

moksha wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:13 pm

alas wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2020 5:24 pm My youngest would just be so happy that I didn’t request bagpipes that he would be delighted with anything else. Do I have weird kids?

Yes, failure to appreciate bagpipes, whether Scottish or Irish, is listed in the DSM-5. For treatment, you might consider playing something with pan pipes in the background at your house.

Totally. Bagpipes are awesome! They were played when a friend of mine were buried, but the person playing them was a ways off, because they are very loud. But they were still there.

moksha wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:25 pm What if you have been buried, eaten by worms, excreted by worms, had those ingredients become part of an oak tree, and now the remains of the oak tree have become part of the podium at the Palmdale Stake Center?

This may come as a surprise but embalming has a tendency to turn people into sludge. They just kind of melt, I guess. Might be different now. It has been a couple of years since I was interested in the subject of what our society does to our dead in mortuaries, etc.

Random wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:30 pm

moksha wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:13 pm

alas wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2020 5:24 pm My youngest would just be so happy that I didn’t request bagpipes that he would be delighted with anything else. Do I have weird kids?

Yes, failure to appreciate bagpipes, whether Scottish or Irish, is listed in the DSM-5. For treatment, you might consider playing something with pan pipes in the background at your house.

Totally. Bagpipes are awesome! They were played when a friend of mine were buried, but the person playing them was a ways off, because they are very loud. But they were still there.

I've got a wonderful arrangement of Amazing Grace. Great for funerals. It's written for bagpipes and accordion.

Reuben wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:45 pmI've got a wonderful arrangement of Amazing Grace. Great for funerals. It's written for bagpipes and accordion.

That sounds awesome!