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I personally don't think any of the old bigots in charge right now are actually able to take this step.
I would pray for this.dogbite wrote: ↑Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:28 am They seem to be relaxing things this time around. Assuming nelson lives on a while I think some more realigning of the PoGP is likely. The Book of Moses has as much history and literal problems as the BoM and BOA plus the uncovering of the commentary. The essays discredit all of these to varying degrees as well as the the Joseph Smith History.
The literal aspects of all of these have to be toned down in light of modern scholarship and understanding. Can't be decaconized yet, there is doctrine that needs tweaking first. Look for metaphoric interpretation to increase. We've seen the BOA was inspired, not translated from Holland. Expect similar for Moses. As to the JS History, that could be downplayed just as the Lectures on Faith. Our modern interpretation of the FV contradicts the LoF and the history could be recast as Joseph telling what he believed about things rather than factual statement. Just as the apologists do with problems in the Book of Mormon. ”the Nephites believed that but it's not necessarily what happened." In regards to Adam and Eve or the flood or tower of Babel. And so on.
Oaks would probably go hardline against gays and such. I can see him doubling down on literalness. I would expect things to tighten up under him.
The PoGP is doomed is my long term prediction as I don think even Oaks finds it defensible it valuable enough to well known doctrine.
I fear this: CONDITIONAL LOVELinked wrote: ↑Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:35 amHe wrote the infamous "Conditional Love" article. Maybe he will change the first great commandment and the second which is like unto it to be "Love thechurchofjesuschristoflatterdaysaints with all your heart and Love your neighbor as yourself but only if they are doing what you have decided is right".jfro18 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:06 pmIf I had time and cared enough, I'd read a lot of RMN's old talks to see what kinds of ideas he proposed or alluded to early on and make predictions from there as to what he might implement now that he has been "unleashed."alas wrote: ↑Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:46 pm Unfortunately for us liberalMormons, progressives, NOMs and apostates, I don’t think there will be changes to WoW or sacred undies. I think it will be another of uncle Rusty’s weird pet peeves that he has held for 40+ years, sort of like not calling Mormons “Mormons”. It is going to be something that is not even on us apostate’s radar.
Sometimes I wonder if that would actually require any changes though, it seems like that is often where the mormon church's teachings lead anyway.
I’ve heard some wards have the YW pass sacrament to the nursing mothers lounge. I can see this as a potential change.crossmyheart wrote: ↑Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:55 am Girls between the ages of 11 and 18 can pass the sacrament. However they still will not be allowed to bless it.
It would be amazing if something like that happened because, based on what has happened with past changes, people would be eager to call it a revelation and would be falling all over themselves to rush out buy up all of the coffee and coffee-makers in the valley. The next Sunday the pews would be full of jittery people bearing testimony about how, even though they don't like the taste of coffee, they're sacrificing and making an effort to drink as much as possible to help fulfill the revelation. At least, that's what I would be doing.
Can you imagine FT meeting?Hagoth wrote: ↑Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:11 pmIt would be amazing if something like that happened because, based on what has happened with past changes, people would be eager to call it a revelation and would be falling all over themselves to rush out buy up all of the coffee and coffee-makers in the valley. The next Sunday the pews would be full of jittery people bearing testimony about how, even though they don't like the taste of coffee, they're sacrificing and making an effort to drink as much as possible to help fulfill the revelation. At least, that's what I would be doing.
You know all my secrets.hiding in plain sight wrote: ↑Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:51 amOf course no one is stopping you from going commando right now.
I came across a post elsewhere that was about blessing the sacrament. The gist was that if you take the words very literally, it's not the actual priest that is doing the blessing, it's god the eternal father. In that light, it's just a prayer and anyone should be able to give it.2bizE wrote: ↑Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:06 pmI’ve heard some wards have the YW pass sacrament to the nursing mothers lounge. I can see this as a potential change.crossmyheart wrote: ↑Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:55 am Girls between the ages of 11 and 18 can pass the sacrament. However they still will not be allowed to bless it.
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