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Re: Deseret news article on doubt
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:16 pm
by Mormorrisey
Kristy Money posted on this very article in the Salt Lake Tribune, yesterday. It's pretty bang on to this thread:
http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/4660975-1 ... ch-deserve'
A great Sunday read!
Re: Deseret news article on doubt
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:17 pm
by Jinx
Re: Deseret news article on doubt
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:18 pm
by Mormorrisey
Jinx, I call jinx first!!!!
Re: Deseret news article on doubt
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:22 pm
by Jinx
Re: Deseret news article on doubt
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:33 pm
by DPRoberts
Similarly, Barbara Morgan Gardner shared from records she kept while counseling Harvard college students undergoing faith crises. She concluded that staying active boiled down to having a strong moral character. This, unfortunately, is one of the most damaging assumptions tearing apart LDS relationships right now, and is yet another example of confirmation bias.
I have also counseled many LDS college students undergoing faith crises, and their primary worry is how their families and friends might react. Will they reject them? Judge them for being lazy or letting themselves be deceived by Satan? Divorce them for their apparent decline in moral character?
Let me counter Morgan Gardner's counseling records with my own: Among those I have counseled amidst faith crisis are the bravest, kindest, most conscientious and Christlike people I've met. And yes, that may be my confirmation bias talking (after all, I'm married to a wonderful man who has left the church), as bias affects us all. We need to be aware of its effect on our thinking — and our relationships.
Thanks Kristy for countering what in my opinion was the most harmful part of the article. No way in h@!! could Barbara Morgan Gardner say what she said in a peer reviewed journal and not be derided into oblivion, IMO. She clearly approached those records with strong confirmation bias, and thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster that Kristy called her out on that. I plan to leave Kristy's op-ed around the house in a few strategic places for DW to find.
Re: Deseret news article on doubt
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:19 pm
by Hagoth
Wasn't 20 plus years of kicking and screaming enough for them? How many more years are required?
Re: Deseret news article on doubt
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:16 am
by moksha
Trying to drive a wedge between people based on religious belief does not seem like a virtuous endeavor for any faith tradition. Much better to forge respect and understanding between people instead. Belief that requires its members to fear and shun others will ultimately marginalize those same members.
Re: Deseret news article on doubt
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:42 am
by The Beast
I saw Dr. Money's article first, thank you exmo Reddit. When I read the deznews article I really triggered. What a bunch of backhanded bull$#1+. Doubters lack character, and just about every other positive personality trait. Geez, I'm just spineless slime. The thing that really gets me is that my family will read this piece of shiz article and eat it Right up. Poor Beast. He's just mislead and weak. Deceived by the craftiness and cunning of the world. So tired of the church's blame the victim excrement, but hey, that tactic goes all the way back to our beloved founder, Joseph second only to Jesus himself Smith. Disgusting article. I've held back and been respectful to family to this point, but if they send me this article, the gloves come off.
Re: Deseret news article on doubt
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:38 pm
by TheRunningmom
First of all, how do you have a non-LDS faith crisis when you are LDS? What does that even mean?
Second, like previous posters have said, most people have to be dragged kicking and screaming out of the church. The costs are SO HIGH when your entire family is active. You want to find any way possible to stay in and still maintain your integrity. Once all options have been exhausted, that's when people are able to leave. It seems like it's quick only because people don't see what has been going on behind the scenes. All they know is that one week we were there, taking the Sacrament, fulfilling our duties in our callings. The next week, the entire family is gone and the parents released from all of their callings in one fell swoop.
Third, my jaw dropped when I read the end of the article. I'm betting she also watched the light leave the eyes of the students who didn't remain in the church.
Lastly, I want to know what Barbara Morgan thinks the heavy price is for the people who want to stay in the church.
