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Kishkumen wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:52 pm

2bizE wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 8:29 pm I will continue to hold my summer and winter solstice pageants though as they are not church related.

Does your solstice pageantry involve beer, wine or other spirits?

If yes, can I come?
If no, can I come anyway? (And bring beer)

Would love to have you come and bring beer.
Here is a picture of us last year...

1smartdodog wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:31 am

alas wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:42 am Ah, but do the youth find the pagents fun and a way to make friends? If so, Kill it, we don’t do “fun” anymore. It is a waste of time to do anything because it is fun. People like Top church leaders focused only on worldly success and church approval. They are not the kind of people who need fun, relaxation, enjoyment. Nope. Work work work. Over the last 30 years or so, the church has been moving in the direction of killing anything done for the fun of it. So, this does not surprise me at all.

The church has become bland, boring, and tedious, and people are leaving as our top leaders wonder what is wrong as they make it more bland, boring, and tedious.

Boring, boring, boring. The church compared to my days as a youth in the seventies is so tedious and boring. If the church can not provide some social enjoyment and provide a place to get together and enjoy some project or other it is useless. If its all about some perceived spiritual experience then why bother since those things are mostly just emotional manipulation.

I grew up near Manti. The parent was a big deal not just for members but the whole community. Sort of like a two week party. Sure it was cheesy and stupid but we had fun as kids attending and participating.

Did I say this church is boring?

I think this is one of the dangers of men promoting men who are just like them. They begin to think that no one has needs for things other than family, job, church meetings, because they don’t need the “fluff”.

In one of my psychology classes, we did some group dynamic exercises. The prof asked the class to name 5 people who, if they were stranded on the moon, they would want as crew. Then name 5 people that you would invite to a party. The prof placed those who the class didn’t. It divided the class into the party animals and the task oriented. It wasn’t introverts or extroverts, but those who need a task to work on to get to know others, and those who can just chit chat with no goal or purpose. The class was pretty evenly divided. Then he gave both groups the assignment to plan a homecoming BBQ. Well, the task oriented group went to work, while the party animals were apparently having their party. We quickly got our party planned, while the party animals just laughed and talked and never made any real plans. We were pretty sure they had been given a joke book to read while we were put to work, cause they were having a great time, while we were wondering what was so funny. There were several points from this little demonstration. But the biggest for me was how some people NEED a task before they can socialize. Others socialize no matter what they are doing. Some people can make a phone call just to chat, while others need a reason. Some people function just fine with no calling at church, while others are lost in the crowd. The party animals need the task oriented people to keep them on task, or they just socialize and the work doesn’t get done. (Y’all have worked with this type, haven’t you) But those party animals had some fun creative ideas, and our group needed those guys because otherwise our party would be flat, was flat and boring.

Well, the church has already moved past the point where only those task oriented people in high callings are getting their needs met, and the party animals have been stifled by everything needing a priesthood purpose. The party animals may be getting their social needs met, because with their personality, they can get their social needs met real easy. But the spontaneity, creativity, and imagination they thrive on has been beaten out of them at church. They stopped going years ago because the correlated program chokes them to death. These are they who grow up and go inactive, not because they don’t believe, but because the life style isn’t creative, fun, spontaneous. The church calls them lazy, but that is not the problem. And the task oriented people are only getting their needs met if they are in a very busy calling. The task oriented introverts are all suffering, while the task oriented extroverts are really the only ones that fit. 1/4 of the human population.

If you look at the general authorities, they are successful in their chosen career. They are not nerdy electrical engineers or accountants. They are task oriented, but not introverts. They have good social skills. They find being involved as enough socialization. They are not highly social party animals, nor are they the quiet introverted type. They are intelligent, but NOT intellectuals. So, they look at themselves and people like them and they get all of their social needs met through their job and calling. They get their intellectual needs met through their job and calling, and since their needs are not high, they see no need to dig deeply into church history. Or wonder about deep doctrine, or logical consistency, or social justice.

Because the task oriented extroverts are in all the big callings, and they are the workaholics, they feel too much pressure between work, calling, family. So, they scream, cut down the meetings, cut down the socials, cut down the extras, everybody is TOO busy. Their voices are the only voices that make it up the chain of command. But they don’t realize that if you don’t have a big calling or are not an extrovert, your social needs are not met. So, they wonder why the little old widows keep calling the bishop.

So, the church has been heading this direction since David o McKay. Because it is caught in a like promotes like spiral of the needs of one small group.

alas wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:42 am Ah, but do the youth find the pagents fun and a way to make friends? If so, Kill it, we don’t do “fun” anymore. It is a waste of time to do anything because it is fun. People like Top church leaders focused only on worldly success and church approval. They are not the kind of people who need fun, relaxation, enjoyment. Nope. Work work work. Over the last 30 years or so, the church has been moving in the direction of killing anything done for the fun of it. So, this does not surprise me at all.

The church has become bland, boring, and tedious, and people are leaving as our top leaders wonder what is wrong as they make it more bland, boring, and tedious.

So much this. Several years ago in the Primary Presidency we wanted to have an activity, you know, to have fun, build friendships, community, unity (that's the buzz word I hear all the time these days) and it was not approved. Why? It needed doctrinal purpose. We tried a few ways to make it work, but eventually gave up because it wasn't serious and necessary and part of a doctrinal purpose.

alas wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:42 am If you look at the general authorities, they are successful in their chosen career. They are not nerdy electrical engineers or accountants. They are task oriented, but not introverts. They have good social skills. They find being involved as enough socialization. They are not highly social party animals, nor are they the quiet introverted type. They are intelligent, but NOT intellectuals. So, they look at themselves and people like them and they get all of their social needs met through their job and calling. They get their intellectual needs met through their job and calling, and since their needs are not high, they see no need to dig deeply into church history. Or wonder about deep doctrine, or logical consistency, or social justice.

Because the task oriented extroverts are in all the big callings, and they are the workaholics, they feel too much pressure between work, calling, family. So, they scream, cut down the meetings, cut down the socials, cut down the extras, everybody is TOO busy. Their voices are the only voices that make it up the chain of command. But they don’t realize that if you don’t have a big calling or are not an extrovert, your social needs are not met. So, they wonder why the little old widows keep calling the bishop.

So, the church has been heading this direction since David o McKay. Because it is caught in a like promotes like spiral of the needs of one small group.

I think this is why they LOVE their meetings. They love to sit around and be important and hear themselves talk, talk, talk - they think they are doing something, but they aren't. Some of them may urn out, but it drives the rest of us nuts.

alas wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:42 am The task oriented introverts are all suffering, while the task oriented extroverts are really the only ones that fit.

That's me.

Hagoth wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:00 am Nothing causes the wackiness of it all to slap you in the face like seeing it acted out by live actors. Besides, to fit the current apologetics they would need two Cumorah pageants.

Here is a photo from the Manti Pageant: