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Palerider wrote: ↑Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:12 pm

Red Ryder wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:47 am Here's the books part on Fanny Alger.

“During the years Joseph lived in Kirtland, a young woman named Fanny Alger worked in the Smith home. Joseph knew her family well and trusted them. Her parents were faithful Saints who had joined the church in its first year. Her uncle, Levi Hancock, had marched in the Camp of Israel.

Following the Lord’s command, ( No record of this command/revelation happening at this time whatsoever) Joseph proposed marriage to Fanny with the help of Levi and the approval of her parents (I'd like to see the record of her parents approval). Fanny accepted Joseph’s teachings and his proposal, and her uncle performed the ceremony. (As I understand it this is something Levi's son happened to remember in his old age that maybe his father had told him. Very dubious.)

Since the time had not come to teach plural marriage in the church, Joseph and Fanny kept their marriage private, as the angel had instructed.( Nowhere do we have a record of the angel telling Joseph to keep plural marriage a secret that I have seen.) But rumors spread among some people in Kirtland. By the fall of 1836, Fanny had moved away.(Bull...Joseph arranged for her removal from Nauvoo in order to keep Emma from leaving him.)


Oliver was deeply critical of Joseph’s relationship with Fanny, although how much he knew about it is unclear. What Emma knew about the marriage is also uncertain. (According to the book Mormon Enigma, Oliver was called upon by Joseph to help calm Emma down after she threw Joseph out of the house. They both knew the details of Joseph's infidelity.) In time, Fanny married another man and lived apart from the main body of the Saints. Later in life, she received a letter from her brother asking about her plural marriage to Joseph.

“That is all a matter of our own,” Fanny wrote back, “and I have nothing to communicate.””

How can the uncle perform the ceremony? Does he have the proper priesthood authority? If so, when and where was that conveyed? Wouldn't such a big event in the restoration of the gospel been documented somewhere? (If the uncle did in fact perform the ceremony which is doubtful, it would have been for time only since the supposed sealing powers had not yet been restored. Further, it would not have been recognized by the state since he had no legal authority to perform the marriage. This is all totally bogus.)

The part about Emma being uncertain is also an attempt to avoid the details. Why do the Mormons not know, yet outsiders and ex-Mormons know?

From http://mit.irr.org/joseph-smith-and-fanny-alger

Another question.

According to D&C, Joseph had to receive Emma's approval BEFORE marrying Fanny. Considering Emma's reaction to catching Joseph in flagrante delicto in the barn do we really believe Joseph ran this by her and she said, "Sure Joey boy, go right ahead...."???

Get real...

If the rest of the book follows suit the whole thing will be a stinky load of crap. These guys should be ashamed but I think they're incapable...

Palerider wrote: ↑Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:12 pm

Red Ryder wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:47 am Here's the books part on Fanny Alger.

“During the years Joseph lived in Kirtland, a young woman named Fanny Alger worked in the Smith home. Joseph knew her family well and trusted them. Her parents were faithful Saints who had joined the church in its first year. Her uncle, Levi Hancock, had marched in the Camp of Israel.

Following the Lord’s command, ( No record of this command/revelation happening at this time whatsoever) Joseph proposed marriage to Fanny with the help of Levi and the approval of her parents (I'd like to see the record of her parents approval). Fanny accepted Joseph’s teachings and his proposal, and her uncle performed the ceremony. (As I understand it this is something Levi's son happened to remember in his old age that maybe his father had told him. Very dubious.)

Since the time had not come to teach plural marriage in the church, Joseph and Fanny kept their marriage private, as the angel had instructed.( Nowhere do we have a record of the angel telling Joseph to keep plural marriage a secret that I have seen.) But rumors spread among some people in Kirtland. By the fall of 1836, Fanny had moved away.(Bull...Joseph arranged for her removal from Nauvoo in order to keep Emma from leaving him.)


Oliver was deeply critical of Joseph’s relationship with Fanny, although how much he knew about it is unclear. What Emma knew about the marriage is also uncertain. (According to the book Mormon Enigma, Oliver was called upon by Joseph to help calm Emma down after she threw Joseph out of the house. They both knew the details of Joseph's infidelity.) In time, Fanny married another man and lived apart from the main body of the Saints. Later in life, she received a letter from her brother asking about her plural marriage to Joseph.

“That is all a matter of our own,” Fanny wrote back, “and I have nothing to communicate.””

How can the uncle perform the ceremony? Does he have the proper priesthood authority? If so, when and where was that conveyed? Wouldn't such a big event in the restoration of the gospel been documented somewhere? (If the uncle did in fact perform the ceremony which is doubtful, it would have been for time only since the supposed sealing powers had not yet been restored. Further, it would not have been recognized by the state since he had no legal authority to perform the marriage. This is all totally bogus.)

The part about Emma being uncertain is also an attempt to avoid the details. Why do the Mormons not know, yet outsiders and ex-Mormons know?

From http://mit.irr.org/joseph-smith-and-fanny-alger

Another question.

According to D&C, Joseph had to receive Emma's approval BEFORE marrying Fanny. Considering Emma's reaction to catching Joseph in flagrante delicto in the barn do we really believe Joseph ran this by her and she said, "Sure Joey boy, go right ahead...."???

Get real...

If the rest of the book follows suit the whole thing will be a stinky load of crap. These guys should be ashamed but I think they're incapable...