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deacon blues wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:50 pm

asa wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:21 pm

Blashyrkh wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:54 am New member here. I think that this change in quorum has everything to do with the large number of elder age men leaving the church. This is an attempt to try to have the older men mentor or provide leadership to the younger men. I doubt it will have much affect as there is very little about these older High Priests to look up to.

Hey. I am hurt

I'm a disaffected old guy (62) and I don't attend much anymore, so I won't have much influence one way or the other.

moksha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:19 am Did Nelson actually come out and say he received a for sure revelation such as, "Hey this is God here, and I sayeth like ye verily shall combineth the High Priests and Elders Quorums into just the Elders Quorum. Okay, you guys haveth a good time at thy Conference."

Reuben wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 4:20 pm I think the emphasis on revelation was partly to try to keep us old farts from rebelling after being demoted.

asa wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:11 pmI was listening to a podcast by Denver Snuffer this morning wherein he bore his witness of being in the presence of Christ and being shown in vision the morning of the resurrection in great detail. The difference between Nelson and Snuffer and what they claim is enormous. No wonder Nelson et al view Snuffer as a potent threat to their very legitimacy.

Corsair wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:49 am These "revelations" from President Nelson seem like the next step in creating an attitude of lowered expectations in the minds of faithful Mormons. However, LDS leadership wants to keep obedience to leadership held high while not holding prophets, seers, and revelators held to high standards of divine knowledge or inspiration.

consiglieri wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:14 am
As a first stab at trying to answer this question, it seems church leaders today may be a bit on the defensive about accusations they don't receive revelation anymore.

I am interested in hearing your thoughts.

blazerb wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:14 pm

Corsair wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:49 am These "revelations" from President Nelson seem like the next step in creating an attitude of lowered expectations in the minds of faithful Mormons. However, LDS leadership wants to keep obedience to leadership held high while not holding prophets, seers, and revelators held to high standards of divine knowledge or inspiration.

Here's what hit me this afternoon. RMN attacked a young father for not giving a baby blessing correctly. However, according to our scriptures he holds the power to stop the rain, start and end wars, cause famine and plagues, tell where our country's enemies are hiding, etc. Prophets supposedly did all these things to bring people to repentance. Is he doing the prophet thing correctly?

The revelation, as many have already noted, is not that big a deal. We can run ward with 4 fewer MP holders. There is no bold prophecy. I'm supposed to put my reputation on the line in the public eye to defend the church, but RMN does not. Of course, he may believe the church is True, but he knows that he is not getting instructions to wreak havoc on the world like the prophets of old. I'll give him credit for sanity, but why can't he accept that we are sane also.

That young father also knew he was not getting told the future about his child, but he wanted the baby blessed. He probably asked in prayer for the blessings he felt were most needed. This is no different from our prophets using PR and conventional business techniques instead of the miracles we see in the scriptures. I take that back, the young father is showing more faith than our leaders do. He knows his limits and is trusting God to make up for them through his prayer. Our leaders show no signs of accepting their limits, but also do not appear to trust God. They use very mortal means to accomplish their goals and then claim them to be miracles.

RS Teacher wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:27 am I didn't watch any of GC, but in RS yesterday, I was amazed to hear everyone gushing about how incredible GC had been. A couple of women said that they hardly dared blink because they were so afraid of missing any of these new revelations. There was just so much, they said.

I'd heard about some of these little policy tweaks to priesthood meeting and the visiting teaching program, so I really wondering what on earth the amazing revelations were that everyone was so rapturous over. Another woman said that she'd heard an interview with RMN in which he said he gets so much revelation during the night that he keeps a notebook by his bed so he can jot down notes. Seriously?