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Many thanks for this quote, and I hope you don't mind I used what you said in a conversation with Sis. M when it came up. Even she, the TBM of all TBM's, actually agreed with you. This is a tipping point. Even those concretely tied to the church recognize that things HAVE to change.sparky wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 7:31 am I am trying not to get too hopeful about the outcomes of this whole thing, but I really hope it leads to real change in how the church and its members think, talk, and act about abuse. For decades the modus operandi has been to cover up and try to "protect the good name of the church." The script needs to be flipped, such that institutional reputation is tied to how quickly and transparently the church responds to abuse and how effective its preventative policies are, rather than how convincing the facade of perfection is.
More selfishly, I also hope it gives me leeway with family to fade away even more from church engagement.
When LDSFS stopped doing adoption, all those records were transferred to be stored at COB. And, at that time all LDSFS adoptions were closed.2bizE wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 4:11 pm I have thoughts and concerns:
1) I am so proud of this lady. It takes a lot to come forward with rape.
2) how were sealed adoption records opened? I assume they were sealed.
3) how does the dossier contain a lot of information in past ecclesiastical stuff? Do they keep all of these records of people confessing, farting in church, etc? How would leaders from the past even remember this crap? I can’t remember whether I took my pills this morning, but they are guessing on 30 years ago.
4) I wonder what happened to the sister missionary that was the biker gal, and the one that exposed her breasts. There were a few others in the recording. There has to be more.
This amazes me. I don't know what the rules are surrounding this, but for the church to dig into those records and release them in ANY WAY as a smear attempt, is despicable. And the attempts of the church to smear this woman to quiet her is also despicable.Thoughtful wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:32 pmWhen LDSFS stopped doing adoption, all those records were transferred to be stored at COB. And, at that time all LDSFS adoptions were closed.2bizE wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 4:11 pm I have thoughts and concerns:
1) I am so proud of this lady. It takes a lot to come forward with rape.
2) how were sealed adoption records opened? I assume they were sealed.
3) how does the dossier contain a lot of information in past ecclesiastical stuff? Do they keep all of these records of people confessing, farting in church, etc? How would leaders from the past even remember this crap? I can’t remember whether I took my pills this morning, but they are guessing on 30 years ago.
4) I wonder what happened to the sister missionary that was the biker gal, and the one that exposed her breasts. There were a few others in the recording. There has to be more.
Many people are upset that they could not get their file information, even when the other party had separately sent in a release. However, somehow, this information was located and provided by someone at COB to Greg Bishop and everyone else in that email thread.
+1Rob4Hope wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:47 pm This amazes me. I don't know what the rules are surrounding this, but for the church to dig into those records and release them in ANY WAY as a smear attempt, is despicable. And the attempts of the church to smear this woman to quiet her is also despicable.
These "men of God"?....
excuse me....I have to go throw up
I'm glad you were able to use the thought, and I hope it really is a tipping point!Mormorrisey wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:50 pmMany thanks for this quote, and I hope you don't mind I used what you said in a conversation with Sis. M when it came up. Even she, the TBM of all TBM's, actually agreed with you. This is a tipping point. Even those concretely tied to the church recognize that things HAVE to change.sparky wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 7:31 am I am trying not to get too hopeful about the outcomes of this whole thing, but I really hope it leads to real change in how the church and its members think, talk, and act about abuse. For decades the modus operandi has been to cover up and try to "protect the good name of the church." The script needs to be flipped, such that institutional reputation is tied to how quickly and transparently the church responds to abuse and how effective its preventative policies are, rather than how convincing the facade of perfection is.
More selfishly, I also hope it gives me leeway with family to fade away even more from church engagement.
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If other witnesses and victims of abuse come forward, McKenna's case grows in credibility. I hope others DO come forward.Archimedes wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:02 pm I think they've met their match though. McKenna knows she has credibility issues and is ready to face them. How many times do you think her attorneys have warned her that the other side is going to drag her through the mud and attempt to shred her. I don't think she gives a rip.
Go, McKenna. No settlement - go for the verdict.
This is absolutely brilliant.Corsair wrote: ↑Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:53 am LDS political cartoonist Pat Bagley has commented on this whole incident
Consiglieri also discovered that there is an audio recording. I hope this comes forth at some point. I also REALLY want to know what was on those four lines in the report that remained redacted after the second release.RubinHighlander wrote: ↑Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:28 pm I was disappointed there was nothing in the legal doc about the campus police and PG police reports. Perhaps those will be subpoenaed later? I'd be interested to see what was in the redacted areas of those reports. Maybe she should have hired Bill Reel as her lawyer.