You are not so smart/Backfire effect

[slavereeno]

Good point. I didn't believe in that sort of god before my faith transition, either.

Nor did I, but the very fact that I didn't has always caused some cognitive dissonance.

[deacon blues]

Here is a list of the "evidences" I have heard from my TBMs:

1. The concrete thing from last conference. Concrete was mentioned in the BOM, yet pre-columbian concrete was not known in the 19th century, how could JS have known if not for truthness.

2. Chiasmus

3. Some random linguist reads the BoM and says the structure is defiantly Egyptian and could not have been written by a farmboy.

4. JS could not have written such a book because he was an uneducated dolt.

5. JS could not have organized the church so well because he was an uneducated dolt.

6. JS made a bunch of prophesies that came true

7. The church makes people happy and junk, so it has to be true. (example of a "true story" told by my BP, a couple were alcoholics and fought all the time so they get a divorce. The wife joins the church, then gets her husband to partake, they remarry in the temple and live happily ever after.)

8. Satan is real and the only reason people are unhappy in the church is cause of him, and that they are following him

9. steel bows were known in the Mediterranean at the time Lehi left Jerusalem, how could JS have known that unless he were a profit

10. the 17 miracles movie. Along with other witnessed miracles.

11. so many people have a testimony so there!

12. the church has withstood the test of time.

13. JS is sincere in his writings from the JS papers and if he were not, his deception would be revealed there.

I think FAIR and FARMS have other items, but I don't seem to hear a lot of those being regurgitated.

Compare this to: 1. We have concrete evidence of civilizations in Egypt, Rome, Greece, Babylon, Persia, and, Jerusalem, that would bury, no, obliterate any evidence for Nephites, Lamanites, or Jaredites.
2. Mother Goose used Chiasmus. (Hickory-Dickory-Dock)
3.Show me.
4.The BOM reflects Joseph's culture, including 12 tribes mythology, camp meetings, Sectarianism, etc. ad infinitum.
5. Charisma and genius are not excluded by a lack of education.
6. False prophecies: Temple in Independence (D&C 84), Coming of Jesus Christ in this generation/50 years, (Noah Sexton letter) D&C 87 (50% unfulfilled, etc. ad infinitum.
7. The church's expectations lead to depression and suicide.
8. Satan is an evolved mythology. Study your bible fer heck sakes.
9. No steel bows found in areas where BOM cultures live despite mass production described in BOM.
10. The Godmakers movie.
11. So many Catholics, Muslims, Evangelicals, etc. have a testimony: see "Spiritual Witness" on Youtube.
12. Catholicism has withstood the test of time.
13. Prophets from Brigham Young to Harold B. Lee sincerely believed in a cultural construct that restricted the priesthood from Black Men.

Final question: Do you want all true evidence, or do you just want evidence the church is true?

PS I know what you are up against Slavereeno.