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The biggest thing I noticed is that they really have nothing to offer. At such a point, a change in leadership and a news conference, you would expect them to try and present some sense of vision, a sense of direction, some idea of what they find important and meaningful. A CEO would be prepared with his vision for the company and how he feels they could grow and succeed.

These FP members had nothing. Empty statements. Other than meaningless platitudes, they offered nothing during their scripted statements. They demonstrated no indication of being prepared for the questions. The ones about LGBT people and women should not have been unexpected, if they allowed for open, unscripted questions, yet they didn't appear to have any preparation. They just rambled on about LGBT people without saying anything. They completely missed Peggy's question about women until her follow-up, "What about women?", when they pandered to women in extremely patriarchal fashion. In the age of #MeToo and The Silence Breakers that comes across as very out-of-touch and irrelevant.

“Young men and young women are stronger when they marry [and are in a relationship] that the Lord ordains,” Oaks said.

I love the women

wtfluff wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:20 pm

Jeffret wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:42 pmTheir most celebrated accomplishments seem to be that they've lived a long time and had lots of progeny.

Well... Both Nelson and Oaks are celestial polygamists too, so there's that.

nibbler wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:14 pm'... At first I thought it was telling but as the conference wore on Eyring added unprompted input. ...

Honestly, I thought Eyring looked like he was in La-La-Land for a bunch of the time. When they initially panned over to the "FP table" after the intro, he was literally staring off into space, with his mouth agape for way longer than I was comfortable with. No-one was close enough to elbow him in the ribs to wake him from his stupor of thought, but I wish someone would have...

slavereeno wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:58 am I kept listening for actual answers. Did anyone hear actual answers? They just patronized every group that a question was about and rambled on about stuff.

FiveFingerMnemonic wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:12 am

wtfluff wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:20 pm Honestly, I thought Eyring looked like he was in La-La-Land for a bunch of the time. When they initially panned over to the "FP table" after the intro, he was literally staring off into space, with his mouth agape for way longer than I was comfortable with. No-one was close enough to elbow him in the ribs to wake him from his stupor of thought, but I wish someone would have...

I also noticed the Eyring mouth agape face! Really strange. I was worried he might be having a stroke.

I think its important when we look back on the history of the church, which I have been reading and studying all of my adult life, uh, its a great comfort to me, to know that I don't have to take the statement or actions of one particular leader as expressive of the doctrine and expectations of the church. We don't believe in infallibility of our leaders. What we believe in, is the organization the church has set in place, with multiple prophets, seers, and revelators, and with a council system. Here sit the quorum of the twelve, we'll be working closely with them in the course of our, of our, responsibilities, and in council. We all in an independent spirit, individually praying for guidance from the Lord, we sit as the Lord's servants, to define the doctrine of the church, and the expectations of the church, under the leadership of the president of the church, we meet in council to determine the direction of the church, and the, what are called, int the world, the policies of the church. Some of those things called policies are doctrine and, some of them are practices, and some of them are temporary directions like the age of missionary service, but they come out of a council. And in addition, I would remind those who worry about the things you've asked about, very appropriately, when it comes to transparency, by the action of this council, we have published the Joseph Smith Papers. On the desk in my office, are those published thus far, and the, they occupy a space approximately uh, a yard and still increasing. If we weren't interested in transparency, we wouldn't be publishing all the papers of the prophet Joseph Smith, and the documents that came out of the founding of this restored church.

slavereeno wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:48 am so is the message: "anything you don't like was just a foible of man?"

Jeffret wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:00 am

slavereeno wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:48 am so is the message: "anything you don't like was just a foible of man?"

Yup. Same thing I just commented on, though I used more words, over on this thread: New presidency same old church

wtfluff wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:35 am I also noticed the Eyring mouth agape face! Really strange. I was worried he might be having a stroke.

wtfluff wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:35 am I sure hope not. I hate watching the institution continue to parade them around like puppets as their cognitive facilities fade. They should be spending those waning moments with their families, not working for a giant real-estate corporation...

blazerb wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:50 am

Jeffret wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:44 am If I call that a train wreck, am I being too kind?

I think it will depend greatly on who is observing. TBM's will bear testimony of the strength they exhibited. To others, they will be remembered as easily distracted and confused.

Jeffret wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:23 am

slavereeno wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:58 am I kept listening for actual answers. Did anyone hear actual answers? They just patronized every group that a question was about and rambled on about stuff.

But it didn't appear like they were trying to avoid the questions they didn't like. They did that to all of the questions, those that were kindly towards them and those that addressed controversial issues where they've been criticized.

LaMachina wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:44 pm

wtfluff wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:20 pm
Honestly, I thought Eyring looked like he was in La-La-Land for a bunch of the time. When they initially panned over to the "FP table" after the intro, he was literally staring off into space, with his mouth agape for way longer than I was comfortable with. No-one was close enough to elbow him in the ribs to wake him from his stupor of thought, but I wish someone would have...

I know, right?! It was so weird I thought the video had froze. Nope...just Eyring's brain for a minute.

Kishkumen wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:38 am