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Give It Time wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:51 pm

MoPag wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:49 pm Okay, she asserts that the world will make us feel worthless, but the church constantly shows
us that we are worthless.

Did she really say that second part?

Hermey wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:28 pm MoPag, Thanks for taking one for the team! It's useful to know what some of our spouses are being spoon-fed this fine evening.

Give It Time wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:29 pm

MoPag wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:26 pm

Give It Time wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:15 pm Wow! A lot of empty seats.

I know right?

Any guesses as to where they are?

DPRoberts wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:27 pm

At only a couple minutes in they are probably still going through the metal detectors. Either that, or like my wife, they have decided that going through security at the Conference Center is not worth the hassle.

MoPag wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:30 pm

DPRoberts wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:27 pm

At only a couple minutes in they are probably still going through the metal detectors. Either that, or like my wife, they have decided that going through security at the Conference Center is not worth the hassle.

Metal detectors? Have they always had those? Or did they get installed after the opposed votes in GC started?

Mormorrisey wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:42 pm
But an interesting discussion in our home afterwards. DD complained that church leaders always tell her to turn off her negative emotions, instead of validating that people can feel bad sometimes.

MoPag wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:30 pm

DPRoberts wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:27 pm

At only a couple minutes in they are probably still going through the metal detectors. Either that, or like my wife, they have decided that going through security at the Conference Center is not worth the hassle.

Metal detectors? Have they always had those? Or did they get installed after the opposed votes in GC started?

MoPag wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:32 pm My take away.. It wasn't that bad really. No veiled homophobic remarks. No pushing the "ideal" family. In fact there were some really good parts. I liked that several speakers addressed real problems and gave ideas about how to solve those problems; not just some wishy-washy "be righteous and you won't have problems." I felt a sincerity from most of the speakers.

Here's the problem. Mormon women pray to a male God. They learn of and try to emulate a male Savior. I'm going to say, 95% of the scriptures are about men doing men stuff. As Mormon women, we have no spiritual identity.

All of the authority within the church is male. The final decisions and the final permissions come from men. As Mormon women we have no real power with our church. We have plenty of work to do. But we are powerless.

And deep, deep, deep down every TBM woman understands this. They bury it. They put a lot of energy into avoiding it. They might even pretend that they like it. But it's there. Then Women's Conference comes around. And it's the church that you love so much, the church that you sacrifice for, the church is reaching out to you saying come and be nourished. And what happens it the equivalent of feeding a starving person breath mints. You hear some nice talks, hear some pretty music, and sit with the other spiritually starving women. And parts of it make you feel good. But after it's over, you slowly realize you are just as hollow, lost and powerless as you were before.

MoPag wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:32 pm All of the authority within the church is male. The final decisions and the final permissions come from men. As Mormon women we have no real power with our church. We have plenty of work to do. But we are powerless.

And deep, deep, deep down every TBM woman understands this. They bury it. They put a lot of energy into avoiding it. They might even pretend that they like it. But it's there. Then Women's Conference comes around. And it's the church that you love so much, the church that you sacrifice for, the church is reaching out to you saying come and be nourished. And what happens it the equivalent of feeding a starving person breath mints. You hear some nice talks, hear some pretty music, and sit with the other spiritually starving women. And parts of it make you feel good. But after it's over, you slowly realize you are just as hollow, lost and powerless as you were before.

Give It Time wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:58 pm After the 9/11 attacks, I went to all the sessions of GC both spiritually thirsty and starving. You remember there were both Anthrax attacks and the Beltway shooters happening around that time? The prophet had declared that the Olympics coming to SLC was fulfillment of the prophecy in Isaiah about the house of the Lord being established in the mountains and the nation's flowing unto it.

These were clearly the last days and I was eager to hear from our prophet. I needed to hear words of uplift, encouragement and clear vision for those times. I have to be honest. I can finally be honest. President Hinckley's talk was disappointing. He seemed to be just as hurt, confused and frightened as the rest of us. I confess it now, though I didn't want to admit it to myself then. I thought, as I was listening to him talk, "if you can't give us direction and comfort from the Lord, if you can't tell us the Lord's mind at this pivotal time in history, what good are you?"

MoPag wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:32 pm My take away.. It wasn't that bad really. No veiled homophobic remarks. No pushing the "ideal" family. In fact there were some really good parts. I liked that several speakers addressed real problems and gave ideas about how to solve those problems; not just some wishy-washy "be righteous and you won't have problems." I felt a sincerity from most of the speakers.

Here's the problem. Mormon women pray to a male God. They learn of and try to emulate a male Savior. I'm going to say, 95% of the scriptures are about men doing men stuff. As Mormon women, we have no spiritual identity.

All of the authority within the church is male. The final decisions and the final permissions come from men. As Mormon women we have no real power with our church. We have plenty of work to do. But we are powerless.

And deep, deep, deep down every TBM woman understands this. They bury it. They put a lot of energy into avoiding it. They might even pretend that they like it. But it's there. Then Women's Conference comes around. And it's the church that you love so much, the church that you sacrifice for, the church is reaching out to you saying come and be nourished. And what happens it the equivalent of feeding a starving person breath mints. You hear some nice talks, hear some pretty music, and sit with the other spiritually starving women. And parts of it make you feel good. But after it's over, you slowly realize you are just as hollow, lost and powerless as you were before.