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Hagoth wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 1:10 pm Today's news:

Attorney General William Barr, one of Trump's most ardent allies, announced the results of Justice Department and FBI's investigation into Trump's claims of voter fraud. Barr said, "“To date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.”

Republican Georgia election official Gabriel Sterling to Trump concerning threats of violence against Republican lawmakers who refuse to join Trump's subversion of the election: "“Mr. President, you have not condemned this language or these actions. This has to stop. We need you to step up, and if you’re going to take a position of leadership, show some... stop inspiring people to commit potential acts of violence. Someone’s going to get hurt. Someone’s going to get shot. Someone’s going to get killed.”

This is pretty sad. There was a little bit of this in my own local committee meeting. A sense of betrayal by leaders that we had all worked so hard to get into office. Maybe it is wrong of me to make a distinction. But these are people who feel like they're civil and constitutional rights to have a fair election have been violated and not necessarily someone who feels like someone used the wrong pronouns. Same thing is happening in Arizona.

The Trump administration will now actively be involved in issuing pardons for all the criminals involved with the administration.

Trump has announced he will not invite President-Elect Biden to the White House ahead of time, nor will he attend the inauguration. Trump stomps on all tradition because of his malignant narcissism. Perhaps Trump will fly to Russia before the inauguration and receive a heroes parade in Red Square.

moksha wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 9:11 pm The Trump administration will now actively be involved in issuing pardons for all the criminals involved with the administration.

Trump has announced he will not invite President-Elect Biden to the White House ahead of time, nor will he attend the inauguration. Trump stomps on all tradition because of his malignant narcissism. Perhaps Trump will fly to Russia before the inauguration and receive a heroes parade in Red Square.

I struggle a little bit responding to this. Because I'm not quite sure if people still believe that Trump involved himself with Russia during his presidency or run for president. Because if you do believe that he is a league with Russia somehow trying to provide clarity about what is happening is rather pointless.

To throw in a little bit of clarity anyway, because you know I cannot resist, Trump didn't lose this election. Last night investigators announced that China invested $400 million into the Dominion company. (They created the voting machines) in the conspiracy forums this was noted at least 6 years ago. Dominion are the same voting machines they gave the dictator of Venezuela his win.

If the courts cannot resolve this Trump will leave the White House on schedule. I seriously doubt that he would do anything like martial law. But you can believe that he doesn't think he lost this election and very few of his supporters do either. Our country has been bought and Joe Biden was the salesman. You can choose to not believe the charges from Ukraine, the damning evidence on the hunter laptop, the 1.5 billion dollars in equity given to the Biden family from China, or my very personal story that I saw Joe Biden involved in corruption. But more than half the country believes it, excluding my personal story, and they're not going to let it go.

moksha wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 9:11 pm The Trump administration will now actively be involved in issuing pardons for all the criminals involved with the administration.

By the way, this is typical distraction technique. Obama pardon several cartel drug lords at least two international terrorists and about a thousand other questionable criminals.

Trump has pardoned so far over a thousand minorities who were over charged or convicted on their crimes. He has pardoned a few of the people who were harassed and convicted under political circumstances on his behalf. People like Michael Flynn should have never been charged in the first place and it is a shame that people refuse to look into some of these cases.

People love to call Trump a dictator.

But do you know if any other dictators where you can go after his friends, arrest them, humiliate them, and imprison them and not be instantly killed?

No?

I didn't think so.

SaidNobody wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 7:29 am People like Michael Flynn should have never been charged in the first place and it is a shame that people refuse to look into some of these cases.

You really can't be a paid foreign agent and a national security advisor at the same time, except in the jumbled world of Trump. Flynn lied to both Vice President Pence and the FBI about his compromised loyalties.

SaidNobody wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 7:33 am People love to call Trump a dictator.

I think Trump would prefer the title, God-Emperor of Earth. That stems from his narcissism.

Fortunately, Trump never had the chance to exercise full dictatorial powers. However, he is trying his best to ignore the last democratic election and remain in office with the help of his cadre of reality deniers.

moksha wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 7:07 pm

SaidNobody wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 7:33 am People love to call Trump a dictator.

I think Trump would prefer the title, God-Emperor of Earth. That stems from his narcissism.

Fortunately, Trump never had the chance to exercise full dictatorial powers. However, he is trying his best to ignore the last democratic election and remain in office with the help of his cadre of reality deniers.

I'm sure Trump would go along with that, in good fun. But Trump loves this country, he wouldn't take a title like that. The election is corrupt. That isn't just his opinion, but thousands of lawyers, whistleblowers, investigators, election workers, truck drivers, and voters have come forward. It's ugly.

Trump might actually be glad to dump this hateful job, but he isn't because he made us a promise.

By the way, Trump is going to be president, though I can accept it if you refuse to believe, but he will prove that this is a fraud. I just read one lawsuit here in PA. No honest judge would deny it, without even looking at a ballot. The governor signed Act 77 last year, but there was a part of the act that violated the PA Constitution. The legislation refused to pass it, so Governor Wolf signed it anyway. But the constitution says mail-in ballots must meet one of four requirements, disabled, immobile, illness, or out of the precinct. Other than that, you have to vote in person. Changing the law to allow mass mail-in ballots violates the PA constitution and the governor knew it. But he did this Act 77 last year, so Covid wasn't the motive.

But this is going only getting bigger and bigger. China invested $400M into American media this year and it was for Dems. Russia spent $40,000 in 2016 (we don't know for who) and the Left lost their minds.

So, when the EVIDENCE forces the states to adjust their numbers, are you going to deny or accept the reality?

SaidNobody wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:07 pm So, when the EVIDENCE forces the states to adjust their numbers, are you going to deny or accept the reality?

Will this evidence appear somewhere outside of QAnon, Newsmax, and the St. Petersburg Hackers Collective?

moksha wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:05 pm

SaidNobody wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:07 pm So, when the EVIDENCE forces the states to adjust their numbers, are you going to deny or accept the reality?

Will this evidence appear somewhere outside of QAnon, Newsmax, and the St. Petersburg Hackers Collective?

Such beautiful, competent resources. Don't forget the NY Post. That's the one I see most quoted from my LDS family Trumpians.

EVIDENCE. At this point, I'll take evidence (without all caps). Still waiting. Getting fat while eating popcorn, waiting for evidence. I would think that the Trump core group would be getting a bit suspicious of slight backpedaling of actual republicans. Feels like fractures to break away from Trump. All they or anyone needs is actual data/evidence to support all these fraud claims. Instead you get FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD, unless under oath. Hmmm.

moksha wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:05 pm

SaidNobody wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:07 pm So, when the EVIDENCE forces the states to adjust their numbers, are you going to deny or accept the reality?

Will this evidence appear somewhere outside of QAnon, Newsmax, and the St. Petersburg Hackers Collective?

The evidence presented so far had been witnesses, mathematicians, voters, elected officials, lawyers, illegally changed laws, pay stubs for vote harvesting, shipping logs, poll workers, missing memory cards, horribly questionable ownership of the Dominion company, and is usually presented in front of courts and legislatures. And now there is actual live action evidence of an activist group that Stacy Abrams founded trying to collect out of state voters for the Georgia runoff election.

I haven't heard of the St Petersburg Hackers Collective. Are they any good?

Last night Rudy Giuliani and Jenna Ellis presented witnesses to the Michigan State legislature (I think it was that state, that land up around the Great lakes gets a little jumbled to me.) Ms Ellis was on fire, (not literally but metaphorically speaking.) The legislature needs to take back their power, view the evidence, and cast the votes according to what the evidence dictates. It's not just their option it was their constitutional obligation. Because as the vote stands it does not represent the will of the people.

While some of the evidence is less obvious than others, the obvious evidence which includes dead voters, double voters, and out of state voters is more than enough to overturn the election. Those obvious categories would have normally been rejected except the standard of rejection for mailing balance was dropped almost nothing. States often have a 6% rejection rate but I think this time was down to about 0.5% rejection. Witnesses say the signature checking process of the machines was down to the lowest setting and that tests of a completely different signature still passed.

Even though in that particular state there are almost a million votes that are in question that were used to turn the tide against Donald Trump from about 3am on November 4rd, they only need about 150,000 to clearly win the election. Just based on counting the numbers with the standard processes they could win. That is because witnesses showed how standards of acceptance were almost completely wiped out.

As I have mentioned before that there are some precincts in the Detroit area (my autocorrect only designated this as the destroyed area) had almost 800% participation. Whoever did this was not shy or was just obviously so completely desperate that it was crazy.

I don't know if you watched it but Trump gave a speech last night. He presented the evidence at a high level. He showed graphs at how about 3:00 to 6:00 a.m. on November 4th as many as 800,000 votes mysteriously showed up at counting places. According to the logs, average batches might go from a few thousand up to twenty or thirty thousand at a time. These huge batches of votes were unprecedented, arrived to the horror of those at the counting place, and were somehow exactly enough to turn the tide in Biden's favor. One batch had 570,000 Biden votes and 3200 Trump votes.

This happened in I think five different swing States where the obvious infusion happened at about the same time.

In his speech Trump did give me some comfort. He will follow whatever the legal result of the election provides. If the election gives the presidency to Joe Biden then he will vacate the White House. He will however be eligible to run in 2024. He would start his campaign immediately. In the process with the momentum of his followers we would demand that the voting system be validated. No more of this mysterious 800% participation crap.

Trump is a little bit old, though I would to God that I had a fraction of his passion and energy. His campaign probably wouldn't be so much about him actually running for president as it would be about correcting the system from the outside. Also, when you are the exposer versus the exposed you have a lot more options. We already know of undeniable evidence of Joe Biden corruption and we would not let it go quietly into that good night. Not that we think Joe is a bad guy on a personal level, but when you start thinking about where he is and what he's done, oddly he is about the most evil man on the planet. He is and has been selling out our country for decades. There is evidence if you care to see it but anything can be denied if you don't. Well, anything except Donald Trump.

hmb wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:52 am

moksha wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:05 pm

SaidNobody wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:07 pm So, when the EVIDENCE forces the states to adjust their numbers, are you going to deny or accept the reality?

Will this evidence appear somewhere outside of QAnon, Newsmax, and the St. Petersburg Hackers Collective?

Such beautiful, competent resources. Don't forget the NY Post. That's the one I see most quoted from my LDS family Trumpians.

EVIDENCE. At this point, I'll take evidence (without all caps). Still waiting. Getting fat while eating popcorn, waiting for evidence. I would think that the Trump core group would be getting a bit suspicious of slight backpedaling of actual republicans. Feels like fractures to break away from Trump. All they or anyone needs is actual data/evidence to support all these fraud claims. Instead you get FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD, unless under oath. Hmmm.

We have noticed that. I just joined the Republican Party couple of years ago. I didn't really join the Republican party as much as a joint the Trump party. Trump used the Republican party because mean body of members aligned with his values but the party itself. But the political part of the party isn't necessarily Trump happy. And I just watched a few hours of testimony and it was given under oath that was absolutely clear in what it said. There was fraud in Michigan.

My suspicion is that if Trump runs again, assuming that he loses here, and the Republican party doesn't support him, there won't be a Republican Party. It will be delegated into the realms of the Green Party and the Libertarian Party.

If you haven't seen the evidence yet you are just looking in the wrong place. And knocking the news sources that are providing the evidence is just weak. That's just elitism. How you can spot the lies of sources like OANN, newsmax, Tim Pool, Blaze, Parler, Posts from the Lawyers themselves yet not among other mainstream media sources is confusing. If you are looking for this to be all wrapped up, sanitized for your protection, politically corrected and still get the truth it ain't going to happen.

Just because someone like Don Lemon or Anderson reads it from the teleprompter or spontaneously speaks the word of God doesn't make it true.

My opinion is, right now in the world is in a politically dirty place and if your news source makes it seem buttoned up and understood than you got the wrong place. No one really knows what's going on. There are too many forces at play. If you aren't relatively confused about what's happening then you're completely clueless. Because essentially we are in the chaos of War right now.

What are you actually going to do about all this SN?

Words won’t bring Papa Troll back.

Red Ryder wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:58 am What are you actually going to do about all this SN?

Maybe somebody should point out to Trump and his legal team that there really is plenty of evidence out there if they would just look for it in the right places, because they're they're doing a really pathetic job of finding it so far. Half of the internet knows about all kinds of evidence that would exonerate Trump but his lawyers are, apparently, too clueless to find anything even remotely convincing to a judge or the pro-Trump Attorney General.

This is why we have a legal system, and in this case a mostly Trump-appointed legal system. If it was up to voice of the internet we'd be living on a flat earth and believing that Justin Beber is a reptilian overlord from another planet.

Once they get the vote fixed up maybe they can help FAIRMormon prove the Book of Mormon is true. A lot of people on the internet tell me there's a ton of evidence for that too.

Red Ryder wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:58 am What are you actually going to do about all this SN?

Words won’t bring Papa Troll back.

Hey Red,

Maybe you underestimate the power of words. I know that here on the internet, that is most of what we have. But, we also have evidence. It is being presented.

Do you guys honestly not see it?

Most of the MSM tries to get the facts right, but they always twist or bastardize the emotional and spiritual context of the facts. Like "Trump got the most votes of any previous president, but since he is a liar and loser, that really doesn't matter. Alice Cooper also suggested that all Trump supporters be skinned alive, drawn-n-quartered, and their kids turned over to the Children for Biden's Hair Sniffing program for reeducation. Not everyone agrees with that, but it's a thought."

Like they give their "facts" then twist it. Like one anchor said, "They think we are all crooks." That's true, we do. But then he says, "We're not." Obviously, that is just opinion now. But instead of addressing the "fact" that we think they are criminals, they just dismiss it.

It's that kind of reporting all the time. They give you a fact, then they tell you to ignore or accept it. "Trump claims widespread fraud, his AG Barr says there isn't." That true, but Bill Barr didn't look. No one in the justice department did. Now, 22 days in this mess the FBI is "starting" to gather evidence. Again MSM fact, "The FBI hasn't reported any fraud." The FBI tried to frame Trump for collusion, they hate him, they wanted Hillary so they could continue the Obama stuff. They spied on him, entrapment his intended Secretary of Defence, went after his friends and campaign supporters. So frankly, who cares what the FBI says?

Many millions of us have been distrusting the system for years. Obama weaponized the 3 letter agencies. Another dishonest thing the media is saying, "Will Trump pardon himself and his children?" For what? He cannot pardon himself or his kids for unnamed crimes? They committed no crimes.

What am I going to do? I'm going to support my president for the next four years. And if by some criminal act he isn't president, I will support him for the next four years anyway, as we continue to expose the corruption of the system.

SaidNobody wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:19 am But, we also have evidence. It is being presented.

Do you guys honestly not see it?

I see some wishful thinking combined with willful BS. Sometimes it is comical like when Rudy was leaking shoe polish. Sometimes it is sad like when Sidney Powell presented her litany of zany conspiracy theories.


"After them green fellas quit probing me and let me out of their ship, I saw them stuffing the boxes with Joe Biden ballots. Then they beamed up."
-- Lem Parsons, God's Wrath, Georgia, Route 4

Evidence like Melissa Carone gave in Michigan?

https://reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/co ... itness_in/

Red Ryder wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:50 am Evidence like Melissa Carone gave in Michigan?

https://reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/co ... itness_in/

Wow, their presentation is pretty much interchangeable with Saturday Night Live sketches.

Today's news:

Lindsey Graham in a Fox news interview encouraged Trump to keep fighting, but added, “To the Trump legal team: You’re making all these claims … you gotta prove it. Doing a video is not proof."

Graham claims that, "It’s a widely known fact that the voting rolls are packed with people who are not lawfully eligible to vote, including those who are deceased, have moved out of their state, and even are non-citizens of our country.” If Graham is certain of this, and if "packed with" is any amount above background noise, maybe he should turn over his evidence to Trump's team, rather than just criticize them.

Also:
The Wisconsin Supreme Court today rejected Trump's attempt to disqualify 221,000 ballots cast in Democratic-leaning districts. Even Giuliani was embarrassed by the bizarre testimony of their key witness and attempted to make her shut up.

Hagoth wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:27 pm Graham claims that, "It’s a widely known fact that the voting rolls are packed with people who are not lawfully eligible to vote, including those who are deceased, have moved out of their state, and even are non-citizens of our country.”

Graham is just trying to stay on Trump's good side by substituting the word "fact" for "self-serving wild-eyed claim". What have the Republican registrars in all those counties been doing to not protect the integrity of their voter rolls?