This is for encouragement, ideas, and support for people going through a faith transition no matter where you hope to end up. This is also the place to laugh, cry, and love together.
nibbler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 10:58 am
Just in case it gets memory holed, at the end of plastic bottles/infallible prophet guy's talk he said (direct quote):
In the sacred name of the prophet who God raised up, the holy one if Is-rhul, even Jesus Christ. Amen.
I can't tell if he goofed and recovered by trying to make out that he was talking about Jesus the whole time or if what he said was intentional. Mormons don't typically refer to Jesus as a prophet though.
And including the sentence right before that to give some context:
...but rather to take counsel and direction from he who is authorized to say to us and to the entire world, "thus sayeth the Lord God." In the sacred name of the prophet who God raised up, the holy one if Is-rhul, even Jesus Christ. Amen.
The context was the prophet, not Jesus. The subject of his entire talk was the prophet, not Jesus. My vote is Freudian slip with a recover. Or maybe he's saying the prophet is Jesus. That certainly seemed to be the theme of bro-bro's talk.
I don't remember him once saying follow Jesus. It's always follow the prophet (a man).
Calling Jesus a prophet??!!?? That's what Muslims do.
Wow. Not only begotten, Savior, Son of God? Not Savior but prophet?? Great anti-christ *Easter* message. Church of prophets...
“You have learned something...That always feels at first as if you have lost something.” George Bernard Shaw When it is dark enough, you can see the stars. ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson
nibbler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 10:58 am
Mormons don't typically refer to Jesus as a prophet though.
And including the sentence right before that to give some context:
...but rather to take counsel and direction from he who is authorized to say to us and to the entire world, "thus sayeth the Lord God." In the sacred name of the prophet who God raised up, the holy one if Is-rhul, even Jesus Christ. Amen.
He could have been trying to cement a connection to Islam through the shared belief that Jesus was a prophet, or his cognitive abilities could simply be failing secondary to old age.
----------
The Backyard Professor on the Saturday morning session:
nibbler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 9:19 am
Again, I don't get it. Nephites feeling the wounds on Jesus? They'd have absolutely no context for the wounds. It wouldn't prove it was the same guy that got crucified because they didn't witness the crucifixion. Shrugs.
Jesus just has to calmly explain that he got nailed to an f-ing cross.
Don't you know, Mormons don't use the cross, they don't do passion plays, they don't acknowledge the atonement - they don't believe in the atonement, they believe in prophets.
MoPag wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 10:16 am
Um no!!! That is bad advice! -50
We don't accept things just because a prophet said it.
nibbler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 10:58 am
Mormons don't typically refer to Jesus as a prophet though.
And including the sentence right before that to give some context:
...but rather to take counsel and direction from he who is authorized to say to us and to the entire world, "thus sayeth the Lord God." In the sacred name of the prophet who God raised up, the holy one if Is-rhul, even Jesus Christ. Amen.
He could have been trying to cement a connection to Islam through the shared belief that Jesus was a prophet, or his cognitive abilities could simply be failing secondary to old age.
Follow prophets as you would Jesus, we are the same level of perfect as Jesus, we are your salvation - not Jesus .
Great Easter message.
“You have learned something...That always feels at first as if you have lost something.” George Bernard Shaw When it is dark enough, you can see the stars. ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson
Oaks: -10 for just being Oaks. He needs to have points docked every time he speaks, even if it's just to conduct.
Holland: +10 for managing to avoid conference this year. These points get revoked if he speaks remotely later.
Stevenson: -10 for patting leadership on the back for making Easter sacrament-meeting only. Gee, thanks.
-25 for trying to make 3 Nephi out to be Jesus's "Easter ministry."
-5 for parading around the first-edition BoM that contains stuff so awful I'm sure even he disavows them
Cordon: -10 for continuing the whole 3 Nephi "Easter ministry" nonsense
Carl Cook: -20 for making light of the abuse that Packer heaped upon him
Gong: -5 for incoherent start to his talk with random stories of people he met after conference last time
-10 for piling on members for not doing enough ("Let's do more")
Quenton Cook: -50 for mentioning RMN what felt like 700 times
Haynie: -50 for a "follow the prophet" talk. The living prophet. Don't use the words of past prophets to dismiss the living prophet.
-5 for no doubt setting a trend where crushing your water bottle is a sign of faithfulness
Eyring: +15 for a generally Christ-centered talk
-10 for delivering it in the most boring fashion possible. For once, a bit of crying would have improved it.
