Why do you persist in ignoring the truth?
In terms of evidence, the ship has pretty much sailed on the Trump White House being a criminal enterprise.
Ships sink. There were issues with the Trump White House, but most of the crimes were people thinking they were saving the country from him. And yet, I know I have asked this before. What crimes?
That whole Mueller thing was a "nothing burger." Presidents have a protection clause for a reason. Biden's order to pull out of Afghanistan killed a lot of people. If he were anything but the president he would have been charged with murder and I have a dozen other things. I definitely think you should be criminally charged except that you can't charge a president so I don't sit here and say he committed crimes. Yeah you guys think that because they invented some crimes and published them that he is somehow guilty of them. President can do just about anything he wants.dogbite wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 6:46 pm Mueller pretty much proved the obstruction charge. But did notbring charges under the Department policy of not indicting the sitting president.
The jan 6 the committee is laying a pretty damning case forTrump and Eastman.
A number of these other cases are in process.
This is why I don't believe in facts. Sure you can print them and they have a certain amount of authority that everyone must accept them but it doesn't mean they're true. If a judge orders a certain verdict than it is a fact and everyone must follow his order but it doesn't make it true. The election results might be a fact but they are not true. Biden lost on every count of mattered except the final numbers. He wouldn't have even won his own primary except that the party rigged for him. Bernie would beat him out again but instead he took a bribe.deacon blues wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:19 pm Just the facts Ma'am.
https://www.fec.gov/resources/cms-conte ... esults.pdf
https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/2020
https://www.cookpolitical.com/2020-nati ... te-tracker
No one can answer this...yet. So far, Trump has not been convicted of a crime. He and his organizations are still being investigated. These may reveal criminal activity and they may not. Trump is a despicable shell of a human (yes, an opinion, not fact so you should be okay with it), but still deserves to be treated fairly under the law. No one can “name his crimes” until he’s charged and convicted. If Trump were charged, you would continue to dance around and claim fake fake fake. If he were convicted, your dance would continue because facts don't matter to you. I find your arguments and dialog entertaining, but without any meat. Debating with people like you is like trying to eat liquid jello with a fork. But keep posting your comments, laughter is good medicine.SaidNobody wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 5:52 pmThese are accusations. I've got thousands of them for anyone of your choice. I'm hoping you have a conviction.
I'm sorry, but your statement is so messed up.hmb wrote: ↑Sat Jun 18, 2022 6:26 am
No one can answer this...yet. So far, Trump has not been convicted of a crime. He and his organizations are still being investigated. These may reveal criminal activity and they may not. Trump is a despicable shell of a human (yes, an opinion, not fact so you should be okay with it), but still deserves to be treated fairly under the law. No one can “name his crimes” until he’s charged and convicted. If Trump were charged, you would continue to dance around and claim fake fake fake. If he were convicted, your dance would continue because facts don't matter to you. I find your arguments and dialog entertaining, but without any meat. Debating with people like you is like trying to eat liquid jello with a fork. But keep posting your comments, laughter is good medicine.
Seems that you established that some time ago. Don't worry, there are plenty of Trump supporters who also reject the truth.
That whole Mueller thing was a "nothing burger." Presidents have a protection clause for a reason.
Biden didn't give this order. Trump signed an agreement with the Taliban in Feb 2020 for the withdrawal of US troops. Biden actually delayed the withdrawal of troops.Biden's order to pull out of Afghanistan killed a lot of people. If he were anything but the president he would have been charged with murder and I have a dozen other things. I definitely think you should be criminally charged except that you can't charge a president so I don't sit here and say he committed crimes.
Not so. As you note elsewhere, anyone can craft an accusation. That might rise to libel or slander if unsubstantiated. Rather in the case of trump, substantive claims have been presented. Criminal prosecutions aren't made on the basis anyone's say so. You have to get the government to pursue the case. This means presenting evidence and facts to investigative authorities, police, prosecuting attorney and so on.Yeah you guys think that because they invented some crimes and published them that he is somehow guilty of them. President can do just about anything he wants.
1) you have no crimeSaidNobody wrote: ↑Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:31 amI'm sorry, but your statement is so messed up.hmb wrote: ↑Sat Jun 18, 2022 6:26 am
No one can answer this...yet. So far, Trump has not been convicted of a crime. He and his organizations are still being investigated. These may reveal criminal activity and they may not. Trump is a despicable shell of a human (yes, an opinion, not fact so you should be okay with it), but still deserves to be treated fairly under the law. No one can “name his crimes” until he’s charged and convicted. If Trump were charged, you would continue to dance around and claim fake fake fake. If he were convicted, your dance would continue because facts don't matter to you. I find your arguments and dialog entertaining, but without any meat. Debating with people like you is like trying to eat liquid jello with a fork. But keep posting your comments, laughter is good medicine.
Well you are entitled to your opinion, but bless your heart.
1) you have no crime
2) even so, Trump is despicable
3) half the nation loves him but he is a shell of a human
4) you will keep looking for a crime even though there isn't on at this point
5) when I pooh-pooh your trumped up crime, I will be blinded
6) even though you don't have a crime and I point that out arguing with me is like eating liquid with a fork.
7) you will keep digging until you find dirt on Trump and that isn't messed up. Is that the country we want to live in?
Those are red herring claims.SaidNobody wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:56 pmThis is why I don't believe in facts. Sure you can print them and they have a certain amount of authority that everyone must accept them but it doesn't mean they're true. If a judge orders a certain verdict than it is a fact and everyone must follow his order but it doesn't make it true.deacon blues wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:19 pm Just the facts Ma'am.
https://www.fec.gov/resources/cms-conte ... esults.pdf
https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/2020
https://www.cookpolitical.com/2020-nati ... te-tracker
And how would you prove that claim?The election results might be a fact but they are not true.
Interesting, but you have no evidence. What you can assert without evidence I can dismiss without evidence. This is the exact same behavior you claim when we argue that there crimes committed by and in behalf of Trump. You want evidence then. You can't have it both ways. Every investigation into Trump has yielded verified criminal actions by his employees. If it's a witch hunt, then there have been a lot of witches. That Trump is surrounded by criminal activity is highly suggestive of his direction of criminal activity. And like Capone, maybe he'll only get prosecuted for tax evasion. Yet Capone's criminality remains.Biden lost on every count of mattered except the final numbers. He wouldn't have even won his own primary except that the party rigged for him. Bernie would beat him out again but instead he took a bribe.
Prove it.SaidNobody wrote: ↑Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:49 amYou guys are always mixing up the idea of facts and Truth. They are not even really related.
It has been long since established that the best indicator of the results of an election is enthusiasm and turn out. People came out and drove across the nation in support of trump. His rallies were overflowing. He was doing three and four rallies a day. Joe Biden was like watching the corpse. He could barely get his security team to make a showing. They never risked showing the crowds around biden's rally.dogbite wrote: ↑Sat Jun 18, 2022 10:33 am
Interesting, but you have no evidence. What you can assert without evidence I can dismiss without evidence. This is the exact same behavior you claim when we argue that there crimes committed by and in behalf of Trump. You want evidence then. You can't have it both ways. Every investigation into Trump has yielded verified criminal actions by his employees. If it's a witch hunt, then there have been a lot of witches. That Trump is surrounded by criminal activity is highly suggestive of his direction of criminal activity. And like Capone, maybe he'll only get prosecuted for tax evasion. Yet Capone's criminality remains.
