Outward sign of an inward commitment?
Outward sign of an inward commitment?
Is there really a fundamental difference between this religious clothing and Mormon garments? Other than both Mormon men and women wearing them and under their clothes? An outward sign of religious obedience?
Obviously this image enrages everyone who believes these women don’t have a choice. But do Mormons really have a choice if they fully believe in the temple endowment and obedience to their covenants?
I see it as the same, just a difference in appearance but fundamentally the same concept.
For context:
Women sitting in an info gathering held by the Taliban in a teacher training faculty.
Obviously this image enrages everyone who believes these women don’t have a choice. But do Mormons really have a choice if they fully believe in the temple endowment and obedience to their covenants?
I see it as the same, just a difference in appearance but fundamentally the same concept.
For context:
Women sitting in an info gathering held by the Taliban in a teacher training faculty.
“It always devolves to Pantaloons. Always.” ~ Fluffy
“I switched baristas” ~ Lady Gaga
“Those who do not move do not notice their chains.” ~Rosa Luxemburg
“I switched baristas” ~ Lady Gaga
“Those who do not move do not notice their chains.” ~Rosa Luxemburg
Re: Outward sign of an inward commitment?
Weren't Pharisees all about outward signs of inward commitments. Specifically so they could measure (judge) people's inward commitments?
We don’t see things as they are, we see them as we are.
– Anais Nin
– Anais Nin
Re: Outward sign of an inward commitment?
Here's what I want to see from Mr. Nelson next week in conference. Let 'em know what it means to follow the prophet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukr3Y3unFhg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukr3Y3unFhg
“The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also.” -Mark Twain
Jesus: "The Kingdom of God is within you." The Buddha: "Be your own light."
Jesus: "The Kingdom of God is within you." The Buddha: "Be your own light."
Re: Outward sign of an inward commitment?
Ha! On the outside... so we can check!Hagoth wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 6:10 am Here's what I want to see from Mr. Nelson next week in conference. Let 'em know what it means to follow the prophet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukr3Y3unFhg
Here’s another outward expression of an inward commitment courtesy of Pat Bagley!
“It always devolves to Pantaloons. Always.” ~ Fluffy
“I switched baristas” ~ Lady Gaga
“Those who do not move do not notice their chains.” ~Rosa Luxemburg
“I switched baristas” ~ Lady Gaga
“Those who do not move do not notice their chains.” ~Rosa Luxemburg
Re: Outward sign of an inward commitment?
Yeah, that's a good one. I used it simultaneously in another thread.
“The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also.” -Mark Twain
Jesus: "The Kingdom of God is within you." The Buddha: "Be your own light."
Jesus: "The Kingdom of God is within you." The Buddha: "Be your own light."
Re: Outward sign of an inward commitment?
https://www.brooklynunpluggedtours.com/ ... s-orthodox
Here's a link that explains why orthodox Jews wear hats and curly locks. Along with the Taliban women, these are definitely more outward signs than the garments--I guess you could even say that women in polygamous groups are more outward by wearing dresses all the time.
Is there a solution? I guess there are a lot of Jews who are non-religious or secular who no longer wear hats. There are a lot of Mormons who are ex or inactive who do not wear garments anymore. Some of us have to "go along to get along" however Hopefully one day we can stop right? It would be nice if the church made them optional--or maybe for when people attend the temple?
Here's a link that explains why orthodox Jews wear hats and curly locks. Along with the Taliban women, these are definitely more outward signs than the garments--I guess you could even say that women in polygamous groups are more outward by wearing dresses all the time.
Is there a solution? I guess there are a lot of Jews who are non-religious or secular who no longer wear hats. There are a lot of Mormons who are ex or inactive who do not wear garments anymore. Some of us have to "go along to get along" however Hopefully one day we can stop right? It would be nice if the church made them optional--or maybe for when people attend the temple?
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Re: Outward sign of an inward commitment?
Red Ryder, with your permission, I'm going to use the theme of your OP and photo for my blog post on Wheat&Tares. I post there as Bishop Bill
Re: Outward sign of an inward commitment?
Normal undies on the outside would be ugly enough. Can you imagine garments on the outside? Ugh.Red Ryder wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:19 amHa! On the outside... so we can check!Hagoth wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 6:10 am Here's what I want to see from Mr. Nelson next week in conference. Let 'em know what it means to follow the prophet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukr3Y3unFhg
I still check for those garment lines under a TBM's clothes. I don't know why. Looking for clues to a form of NOMness perhaps. Maybe there is something wrong with me. That's probably it .
Re: Outward sign of an inward commitment?
My dad used to say that his grandfather (1850-1870ish) used to wear his garments outside of his other clothing to let the local Indians know he was Mormon so they didn’t shoot him first and ask questions later. The Mormons were friendly (but still taking over their land) to the local tribes and fed then (after grazing cattle on the deer habitat so there was no longer enough game)hmb wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:44 amNormal undies on the outside would be ugly enough. Can you imagine garments on the outside? Ugh.Red Ryder wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:19 amHa! On the outside... so we can check!Hagoth wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 6:10 am Here's what I want to see from Mr. Nelson next week in conference. Let 'em know what it means to follow the prophet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukr3Y3unFhg
I still check for those garment lines under a TBM's clothes. I don't know why. Looking for clues to a form of NOMness perhaps. Maybe there is something wrong with me. That's probably it .
I have no idea of the truth of this Mormon folklore, so don’t argue with me about if it really happened. All I know is what he said and he was nEvER one to stretch the truth [sarcasm off]
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Of course. Nothing out of my brain is original so blog away! I look forward to reading your posts over there.A New Name wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:46 pm Red Ryder, with your permission, I'm going to use the theme of your OP and photo for my blog post on Wheat&Tares. I post there as Bishop Bill
“It always devolves to Pantaloons. Always.” ~ Fluffy
“I switched baristas” ~ Lady Gaga
“Those who do not move do not notice their chains.” ~Rosa Luxemburg
“I switched baristas” ~ Lady Gaga
“Those who do not move do not notice their chains.” ~Rosa Luxemburg