Keeping up with Trump

[SaidNobody]

You don't have to believe this, but this might help you understand where we are.

https://oathkeepers.org/2020/12/open-le ... -the-coup/

That is sad and pathetic.

Trump lost. There was no steal. No matter how much these guys yammer about it on social media and in alt-right tabloids, his attorneys could produce no evidence, and his judges could find no merit. Time to grow up, set aside the conspiracy theories, and work on actually making America great, rather than trying to dismantle it.

I am not part of any right-wing groups. This isn't just a splattered few. Almost every Republican that voted for Trump thinks this was stolen. Some are willing to let it go. And I have seen it happenedl and I think I know why. But too many of them are not letting it go. I don't have solid numbers but let's say maybe 50 million are not willing to simply walk away.

Trump was the president for the working person. Things I've heard said on channel 19 (metaphoric reference to the CB channel 19 of the old trucker days) they as a group are very unhappy. They have threatened to stop serving these cities that have been labeled The centers of corruption. They simply have to block the roads or not go at all. It's a new age and wars are fought differently. They have already pulled out their services from city areas that are in trouble. They will not deliver to areas of town where they might be stopped and beaten to death. It is sad. Because the people really hurt the ones who didn't do anything. But I understand their position.

Please understand. I'm not threatening anybody here. I'm trying to say I don't think you understand the depths of the upset. Mainstream media is glossing over these issues or simply not reporting them at all. The point of this little letter that I was trying to make is that people are going to take a stand. We the little people, have begged for transparency and access to the devices in question. We have been lovingly told that no one cheated and please go home. Nobody's going home.

[SaidNobody]

Please. I don't believe in facts, That's true.

Yeah facts tend to conflict with delusion.

Facts are delusion. That you think you can put a couple of ideas together and encapsulate them into something that resembles actual truth is actually rather humorous. The very building blocks you use to assemble a fact are themselves in question. The one thing I might concede on is mathematics. I have not spent four or five years it would take to really figure that one out. But the symbols that are used are simply things we believe in and are not facts at all.

[SaidNobody]

You don't have to believe this, but this might help you understand where we are.

https://oathkeepers.org/2020/12/open-le ... -the-coup/

That is sad and pathetic.

You really want the US military to start killing US citizens so Trump can get his way?

Trump lost. There was no steal. No matter how much these guys yammer about it on social media and in alt-right tabloids, his attorneys could produced no credible evidence, and his judges could find no merit. The Attorney General and Supreme Court sent him packing.

Time to grow up, set aside the moronic conspiracy theories, and work on actually making America great, rather than trying to dismantle it.

You could almost say this isn't about Trump. Sometimes I think that he and Melania really think they stepped in it. I know Melania never really wanted to be there. They said she cried when she heard that they won. She knew they hate that they would throw at her. But what you might have read I hope in the first little part was it weather Trump takes us on not doesn't change where the people stand. He is and was our champion and we do hope he will stay. I don't think he will do it if it requires martial law.

Many of us believe that if Biden takes over we are just good and well screwed. That doesn't however mean we will take it laying down.

[Hagoth]

I'm trying to say I don't think you understand the depths of the upset.

No, I do understand it. I just recognize that it is majestically misguided and that it is primarily a reaction to unfounded emotion-targeted propaganda. I also recognize that this is a movement of primarily disgruntled, prejudicial white Americans struggling with the realization that they are being dragged into a world where don't get special treatment regardless of actual merit.

Trump promised to make America great again. All I can see is the poison he has injected.

[SaidNobody]

I'm trying to say I don't think you understand the depths of the upset.

No, I do understand it. I just recognize that it is majestically misguided and that it is primarily a reaction to unfounded emotion-targeted propaganda. I also recognize that this is a movement of primarily disgruntled, prejudicial white Americans struggling with the realization that they are being dragged into a world where don't get special treatment regardless of actual merit.

Trump promised to make America great again. All I can see is the poison he has injected.

That's not fair. People are constantly blaming Trump for the condition of America. We were in this condition a long time ago but people were simply being patient hoping that some sort of fairness would come out of it. Trump didn't make anybody racist. Trump didn't poison anybody against the government. He did however sprash around a little bit and a lot of swamp monsters begin to thrash as well. We don't run this country. Probably having for 50 years or more.

People who are older than I am wiser have put it to me this way. John F Kennedy slipped past their nets. When he found out their scheme they killed him. Ronald Reagan slipped past their nets, And they tried to kill him three times. And Donald Trump slipped past their nets. Three presidents the people genuinely loved in that rattle the system like no others.

I would have to include Barack Obama among those that the people loved. Because obviously they loved him. But I would suggest that it wasn't a true love. Barack Obama presented himself as scandal-free president but he had over 80 major scandals. Everything from Benghazi weapons trades to gun running to the Mexican cartels. He is considered a war criminal in Ireland and they would not let him land there. What was left after his administration? It seemed like more hate and destruction in the world, more terrorist groups with more power, etc. So Obama wasn't an outsider because the press covered for him praised him and glorified him till he probably has a little bit of an identity crisis.

My point is, no one can really claim to know the truth. But everybody has their own truth and sometimes they find enough confidence in it to fight for it.

[Hagoth]

Trump didn't make anybody racist.

You're absolutely right. He merely seized the opportunity to fan the flames to his own benefit. He played them like a cheap fiddle. Trump used to be quite liberal until he realized that he could put on a new suit of clothes that would stir up a wave of devotion to him.

[River Morgan2]

Trump didn't make anybody racist.

You're absolutely right. He merely seized the opportunity to fan the flames to his own benefit. He played them like a cheap fiddle. Trump used to be quite liberal until he realized that he could put on a new suit of clothes that would stir up a wave of devotion to him.

Trump's highest goal in life is adulation. And I agree that his switch from liberal to conservative (cough*fascism*cough) was done solely for the idolatry factor.

River

[SaidNobody]

Trump didn't make anybody racist.

You're absolutely right. He merely seized the opportunity to fan the flames to his own benefit. He played them like a cheap fiddle. Trump used to be quite liberal until he realized that he could put on a new suit of clothes that would stir up a wave of devotion to him.

Trump's highest goal in life is adulation. And I agree that his switch from liberal to conservative (cough*fascism*cough) was done solely for the idolatry factor.

River

I heard that.

How is conservatism racism?

It was my study of conservatism It made me realize that that is my politics. I've never thought of myself as a fascist. But I have definitely been called one.

[SaidNobody]

Trump didn't make anybody racist.

You're absolutely right. He merely seized the opportunity to fan the flames to his own benefit. He played them like a cheap fiddle. Trump used to be quite liberal until he realized that he could put on a new suit of clothes that would stir up a wave of devotion to him.

See? This is insulting, and I'm sure you are okay with it. You are asserting that I am racist and your facts really don't support that. The reason I voted for Trump is that I realized was he is not the racist everyone claimed. But Bill Maher summed the stance of the Left, "if you are a racist you are probably a Republican."

But I think there are different kinds of racism. Soft expectations are probably the most harmful type of racism.

[Hagoth]

Trump didn't make anybody racist.

You're absolutely right. He merely seized the opportunity to fan the flames to his own benefit. He played them like a cheap fiddle. Trump used to be quite liberal until he realized that he could put on a new suit of clothes that would stir up a wave of devotion to him.

See? This is insulting, and I'm sure you are okay with it. You are asserting that I am racist and your facts really don't support that. The reason I voted for Trump is that I realized was he is not the racist everyone claimed. But Bill Maher summed the stance of the Left, "if you are a racist you are probably a Republican."

But I think there are different of racism. Soft expectations are probably the most harmful type of racism.

Please don't pretend that you don't know what I'm talking about. I was not referring to you, SN. I assume that you are not a racist. I was referring to the white nationalist movement that has been emboldened by Trump's apparent support of them. It's up to you to decide whether you choose to count yourself among their ranks or not.

And another thing. If those white nationalist militias really think they are going to find the US military fighting alongside them to overthrow the government they've got a rude awakening coming. The minute they start pointing guns at Americans they have made the choice to become terrorists and they will be slapped down so fast they won't know what hit them. People aren't as impressed by their guns as they like to believe, and their guns don't give them any more rights than anyone else has.

[SaidNobody]

Please don't pretend that you don't know what I'm talking about. I was not referring to you, SN. I assume that you are not a racist. I was referring to the white nationalist movement that has been emboldened by Trump's apparent support of them. It's up to you to decide whether you choose to count yourself among their ranks or not.

And another thing. If those white nationalist militias really think they are going to find the US military fighting alongside them to overthrow the government they've got a rude awakening coming. The minute they start pointing guns at Americans they have made the choice to become terrorists and they will be slapped down so fast they won't know what hit them. People aren't as impressed by their guns as they like to believe, and their guns don't give them any more rights than anyone else has.

I might actually know what you are talking about. Which would mean that you are assuming that a bunch of spin and cut up bits of information somehow tell the truth. You don't strike me as a type to really want to get into this however, I will defend any point of media when it comes to Trump's racism.

I honestly don't know how a fight would manifest in America today. In some ways we have been at war for years. If there has been a rise in white supremacy it is the white liberals and antifa people who attack black neighborhoods and then tell black people how to think and how to act. There were dozens of very public examples of white people telling black people what to think and where to stand. And the only black people who got attacked were black conservatives. Unless it was antifa in their mindless attacks in the city.

I have always thought you had to be mildly insane to join a militia. There is nothing that has changed my mind about that.


Hey did you guys know that it was Joseph Smith's birthday today? Happy birthday to the big guy, and I didn't mean Joe Biden.

[moksha]

Then Bill pokes his nose out and Trump doesn't rip his head off. Trump even makes excuses for Bill. Says that he is nicer than he would be. Says people should be in jail but Bill is too nice. That is Trump speak for "thank you but I get it." Not like Jeff Session who he never forgave. Somebody got to him.

Yeah, Bill has something on Trump.

Hey did you guys know that it was Joseph Smith's birthday today? Happy birthday to the big guy, and I didn't mean Joe Biden.

Smithmas comes but once a year.

Trump pardoned more of his criminal associates as part of his continuing perfidy today.

[SaidNobody]

Trump pardoned more of his criminal associates as part of his continuing perfidy today.

Bill might have something on Trump.

The problem is, the AG is both the nation's prosecutor and the president's defense lawyer. If Bill didn't think he could defend the president he shouldn't have taken the job.

But they impreached Trump for saying, "can you do us a favor?" That triggered whistleblowers and anonymous witnesses and lying Schiffs. What could Bill have? That maybe Trump did hire a pornstar?

Good for Trump. Pardoning those people was important. They were innocent of any wrong related to the Russia investigation.

One day I was traveling to see the Kirkland Temple. My brother and I were driving a truck I'd bought from a suspected drug dealer. We got pulled over by 4 cops including a K9 unit. Apparently the dark-tint, mag-wheels, and AZ plates, and me dressed in full camo made me a suspect. They searched the truck and compared our stories, after an hour decided they we were just stupid Mormon guys going to see their temple. The lead cop actually apologized saying we fit the profile and that it was nothing personal.

That is when I laughed and used my foot to move the neon-light-licence-ring a little bit to show that my registration had expired. "I thought you were going to give me a ticket for expired plates." The cop laughed with me and said he'd kept me long enough.

I felt safe that the cop wasn't hateful and was only looking for drug dealers. He could have gotten me on other things but that wasn't why he pulled me over. I always thought the whole thing had felt right.

But the Mullier investigation was the complete opposite. They were looking for Russia collusion and found nothing. But that wasn't really the intent at all, as they knew there wasn't collision. They were there to hurt Trump. They found nothing connected to the "case." But they hurt as many of Trump's friends and associates at they could. If I hadn't already sworn to never vote Democrat again, I would do so over that issue alone.

[Hagoth]

I have always thought you had to be mildly insane to join a militia. There is nothing that has changed my mind about that.

Glad to hear it. You don't seem like someone who would want to see people hurt.

Hey did you guys know that it was Joseph Smith's birthday today? Happy birthday to the big guy, and I didn't mean Joe Biden.

Party!

[Hagoth]

The problem is, the AG is both the nation's prosecutor and the president's defense lawyer. If Bill didn't think he could defend the president he shouldn't have taken the job.

Bill understood that he could only defend what is actually defensible.

[SaidNobody]

The problem is, the AG is both the nation's prosecutor and the president's defense lawyer. If Bill didn't think he could defend the president he shouldn't have taken the job.

Bill understood that he could only defend what is actually defensible.

Sometimes I feel like we are wasting precious air with these discussions. But, since we're here.

A fact as you have presented, seems like traditional wisdom. And it makes sense to me. But Trump hasn't been charged with anything needs defending.

Like when Trump said, "let's kill that Iranian general" his own team protested. So he fired Mattis. His next general got the job done. The leaders of nations agreed many years ago that they would not kill each other. That way they didn't have to worry so much about getting killed. But to allow the killing of the common people under the umbrella of mutual understanding is very wrong.

Some would consider the Iranian generals death a criminal act. I know that it is not. The leaders will definitely like to make it so because it did destabilized their little cocoon. Anyway, I don't know what Bill Barr might have had on Trump that he couldn't morally defend.

[Hagoth]

times I feel like we are wasting precious air with these discussions.

Truer words have never been spoken, my friend. So Merry Christmas to you and a prayer that we can all come together as mutually caring Americans regardless of which knucklehead ends up in the oval office on Jan 21.

[SaidNobody]

times I feel like we are wasting precious air with these discussions.
Truer words have never been spoken, my friend. So Merry Christmas to you and a prayer that we can all come together as mutually caring Americans regardless of which knucklehead ends up in the oval office on Jan 21.

Merry Christmas.

[moksha]

... regardless of which knucklehead ends up in the oval office on Jan 21.

Are you acquiescing to the proposed Trump coup on January 6, 2021?

[River Morgan2]

... regardless of which knucklehead ends up in the oval office on Jan 21.

Are you acquiescing to the proposed Trump coup on January 6, 2021?

Trump coup?? Oh, geez! Now I ve got a high blood pressure nose bleed!