Keeping up with Trump

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moksha wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:50 pm
SaidNobody wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 10:12 pm Please, name a crime, for the love of a happiness, please tell me what law he broke.
He exceeded the number of lies allowable in one lifetime.

If arrested and convicted it might well be for income tax evasion. Of course, it could be on similar charges to the main characters on the Seinfeld Show.
So your answer comes in two parts. First deflection, second tax fraud for which he has already been investigated for and now the world thinks that they can assume they know what the problem is. But nothing to do with being president.
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Hagoth wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:06 am
SaidNobody wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:37 pm I'm still begging for someone to tell me what crimes Trump committed?
You seem to be under the impression that it was members of NOM who impeached Trump. Personally, I thought it was a bad idea, so I suggest you take it up with the people who did, or with the members of the bipartisan Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee (published AFTER the impeachment hearings) that found extensive evidence of Team Trump's Russian collusion:
https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sit ... olume5.pdf

I know you'll come back with articles from some alt-right propaganda websites to refute this. I would respond with my (in your opinion) leftist propaganda sources like the Failing New York Times and the commie NPR.

We'll just have to see how his rape case goes (I suspect nowhere) and whether or not the IRS decides to pursue his money laundering and tax evasion schemes.

But I don't care to go round and round about it, I have much better things to do, so I'm just going to leave it there.
So your answer comes in several parts as well. There might be something that can be investigated that implied collusion with Russia. We don't know it still has to be investigated. There was a rape case but you don't know anything about that. Like weather settled it was a fraud or some other arrangement. Sort of like the kavanaugh case.

Might be something with the taxes but again really nothing About being president. Which only implies that you are not really upset about any crimes but rather that you hate someone enough that you were going to dig it up and prosecute them.
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SaidNobody wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:37 pm
moksha wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:50 pm
SaidNobody wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 10:12 pm Please, name a crime, for the love of a happiness, please tell me what law he broke.
He exceeded the number of lies allowable in one lifetime.

If arrested and convicted it might well be for income tax evasion. Of course, it could be on similar charges to the main characters on the Seinfeld Show.
So your answer comes in two parts. First deflection, second tax fraud for which he has already been investigated for and now the world thinks that they can assume they know what the problem is. But nothing to do with being president.
Telling more documented lies than any other world leader in history does have something to do with the Presidency in that it reflects very badly on both the office and America. Those lies told by Trump, furthering thoughts of sedition and the calling for the dissolution of America by some Republicans, are very troublesome.
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moksha wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:14 pm furthering thoughts of sedition and the calling for the dissolution of America by some Republicans, are very troublesome.
If you can't win, smash the gameboard and ruin it for everybody else.
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moksha wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:14 pm
SaidNobody wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:37 pm
moksha wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:50 pm
He exceeded the number of lies allowable in one lifetime.

If arrested and convicted it might well be for income tax evasion. Of course, it could be on similar charges to the main characters on the Seinfeld Show.
So your answer comes in two parts. First deflection, second tax fraud for which he has already been investigated for and now the world thinks that they can assume they know what the problem is. But nothing to do with being president.
Telling more documented lies than any other world leader in history does have something to do with the Presidency in that it reflects very badly on both the office and America. Those lies told by Trump, furthering thoughts of sedition and the calling for the dissolution of America by some Republicans, are very troublesome.
What I have been trying to convey is that Trump did not invent this stuff. We voted for Trump because he saw what we saw and said that he would try to fix it. So we voted for him.

I've asked for the lies that Trump has told. I've been told that they're documented. And I went to the website where they were documented. And they were lies such as, I think I held the record for being on time magazine's cover. I was Michigan's man of the year. The simple misunderstanding It happens to rock stars and too many places at one time. I didn't find a single lie that might be considered a lie. He didn't say I graduated at the top of my class. He says stuff like I'm a stable genius. Kind of a matter of opinion but I sure agree with him.

Obama said that he had no scandals in his White House administration. But I think there are about 70 well-documented scandals. I consider that a lie. Trump said that the virus would go away. As far as I am concerned he should have been right. The CDC reports that 94% of the cases associated with COVID-19 were actually caused by other factors. And probably a mass majority of associated cases really had nothing to do with COVID-19 at all.

So we play a game with numbers and reports. But a media that absolutely despises Donald Trump is in control of who gets to see what numbers and what reports. If you want any information that isn't sanctioned by then media arm of the DNC you have to go underground. You have to look up reporters that have been blocked and banned a major platforms. Of course there is a reason. YouTube will not allow any videos that disparage the words of the doctors trying to sell the fear. Claiming there may be treatments that don't include life invasive vaccines or even lifestyle shifts that close restaurants and businesses get you kicked off of YouTube. They even kicked a major network off. Twitter banned the New York Post for posting the Hunter Biden laptop story. Hundreds of conservative figures had their accounts disabled for sharing the story.

Trump comes out quite often and gives answers to the media on the fly. They are not scripted or structured He simply throws the answers out and they're pretty consistent. If I turn on the TV I can quote almost word for word everything he's going to say before he even says it.
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Vice President Pence gets coronavirus vaccine on live television

What the hell is wrong with Pence? Doesn't he know that the coronavirus is all a hoax to get him fired from his VP job? Why would he get a vaccine for a hoax?


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wtfluff wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:15 pm Vice President Pence gets coronavirus vaccine on live television

What the hell is wrong with Pence? Doesn't he know that the coronavirus is all a hoax to get him fired from his VP job? Why would he get a vaccine for a hoax?


YES, my entire post is sarcasm.
I enjoy sarcasm as well as the next person. Or perhaps more. Yes, definitely more. However, this is some really shallow stuff, meaning, it should be obvious why he would taking a vaccine for a hoax.

But let me count the ways.

First, the hype was the hoax. It has been from the beginning. The virus is a real virus, as far as we can tell. However, it's not as deadly as the fake news and fearmongering governors portray it. It was 99.5% survivable in the first few months and closer to 99.95% in recent months. Most that die were already on hospice, or killed by other serious factors.

Second, everyone was screaming that they needed a vaccine to fix this. So Trump blows minds and gets two vaccines in what is considered a "miracle timeline." So there Trump is, puffing out his chest, admiring his own manliness when suddenly stupid governors and senators start implying the vaccine isn't safe. Gov of NY saying that he will not take the Trump vaccine until his people review it? Like, does he even have a clue who make it cost to validate a vaccine, IF you know what you doing?

Trump himself already had virus, and recovered, manly president that he is. I'm not sure he will take the vaccine. But Trump is committed. It's political now. Even if Trump doesn't believe in the vaccine, (as in believe that it is necessary) it's still a massive achievement.

I don't think the vaccine is necessary. I probably won't take it. They will probably try to make me and then I will have a even more cause to fight the system. But anyway, Pence was doing Trump as solid.
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Hagoth wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:00 am
moksha wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:14 pm furthering thoughts of sedition and the calling for the dissolution of America by some Republicans, are very troublesome.
If you can't win, smash the gameboard and ruin it for everybody else.
Oh come on, you would love to see the Republican party dissolved. It would vindicate everything you everything said about them.
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SaidNobody wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:36 pm
Hagoth wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:00 am If you can't win, smash the gameboard and ruin it for everybody else.
Oh come on, you would love to see the Republican party dissolved. It would vindicate everything you everything said about them.
I WAS a Republican. Lifelong. Died in the wool.

Then the party went off the rails. So I became an Independent.

Then my state's Republican Party said you couldn't vote in the Republican Primary unless you are a registered member of the party. Sounds fair on the surface.

But the reality is that my state does not elect Democrats. Therefore whoever wins in the Republican primary also wins the November election. And the practical result was that one third of the voters in my state could not participate in choosing their representatives.

So I became a registered Republican who thinks like a Democrat.

Reminds me a lot of my church situation.

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Antrim Co MI hand recount results disprove the claims of the already widely debunked ASOG “forensic audit”.


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SaidNobody wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:36 pm Oh come on, you would love to see the Republican party dissolved. It would vindicate everything you everything said about them.
No, I would love to see the Republican party healed before they rip themselves to shreds. They are being seriously disrupted by conspiracy theory idiocy.
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Trump being haunted by an unfamilar ghost. The first of three that will visit him on Christmas eve:
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Hagoth wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:49 am Trump being haunted by an unfamilar ghost. The first of three that will visit him on Christmas eve....
You should warn us before you do that. I spewed coffee over half my kitchen.

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Hagoth wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:02 am
SaidNobody wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:36 pm Oh come on, you would love to see the Republican party dissolved. It would vindicate everything you everything said about them.
No, I would love to see the Republican party healed before they rip themselves to shreds. They are being seriously disrupted by conspiracy theory idiocy.
I second that.

And like River Morgan, I was also a republican that switched to Independent and now I'm locked out of my State's closed primary. It sucks, but I remain independent partly as a protest against the two party system, and against the pigeon holing of ideology.

Oh, you're a republigun, you must love guns more than free speech. Oh, you're a democrap, you must love trees more than babies.

Nope, I'm an independent. So I hate guns AND trees, I guess.
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Cnsl1 wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 9:38 am Nope, I'm an independent. So I hate guns AND trees, I guess.
It is also possible to love both:
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I have always voted entirely independent of party affiliation. At least if you vote independent in Utah you can count as a statistic that hints at other voices. I joined the Republican party so I can at least participate in primaries, but my tiny little vote has no power there against the recent tidal wave of asshatery either. Party allegiance is a terrible reason to put someone in office regardless of their merits.
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I too am listed as an independent. However, I did understand the logic behind the appeal in Utah to register as a Republican. If Utah will choose Republicans anyway, because of religious conditioning, at least we might be able to pick not quite so bad of Republicans.

Republicans without any rational or moral guidance might go with the lowest common denominator and pick people like Trump.
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Romney: Trump has 'blind spot' on Russia in face of hacking 'invasion'
"This is an extraordinarily damaging invasion, and it went on for a long, long time," Romney said.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-t ... n-n1251846
Trump moved the cybersecurity budget to pay for his wall before this major hacking assault
‘We have a president diverting money, billions of it, to build a wall,’ says a former FBI deputy.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 76007.html
Two reasons Trump will get a Heroes Parade in Red Square if he flees to Moscow.
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Cnsl1 wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 9:38 am
Hagoth wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:02 am
SaidNobody wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:36 pm Oh come on, you would love to see the Republican party dissolved. It would vindicate everything you everything said about them.
No, I would love to see the Republican party healed before they rip themselves to shreds. They are being seriously disrupted by conspiracy theory idiocy.
I second that.

And like River Morgan, I was also a republican that switched to Independent and now I'm locked out of my State's closed primary. It sucks, but I remain independent partly as a protest against the two party system, and against the pigeon holing of ideology.

Oh, you're a republigun, you must love guns more than free speech. Oh, you're a democrap, you must love trees more than babies.

Nope, I'm an independent. So I hate guns AND trees, I guess.
I believe in the goodness of people. I sometimes argue points passionately, but I seldomly engage in the attacking have my fellow citizens. I am a poll greeter at my local precinct. About 1 in 100 will call me a Nazi or fascist. Some people will give me the evil eye.

I genuinely believe the people are good and that they want good things. I get that we have different visions of what that means.

What disturbs me of both sides as at the party, the hierarchy, often pushes a narrative to influence their voters. It is those narratives that really bug me. Some of them are substantiated in the minds of the people. There are people who want to take away our guns. And there are people who want the arsenal of a small army in their basement.

But even so, the real evil isn't in the people so much as it is in the people trying to control the people. I joined the Republican Party purely because of Donald Trump. And when he leaves not sure that I will stay but I probably will never vote Democrat again. And I have deep in profound reasons for that. Good people can follow a bad plan as any of you know.
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At last! I agree with most of what you said in your last post, SaidNobody! I'm glad we both kept digging, so that we could find this common ground!

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