Mesoamerican ancient ball sports

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Curious that the BOM has no mention of sport or the particular type of courts used and how important they were to cultural hierarchy:

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03 ... ins-mexico
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This! Along with no mention of:
  • Beans
  • Squash
  • Llamas (or is that what Curelom means?)
  • Jaguars (Cumoms?)
  • Cacao (a truly sacred matter, as far as I'm concerned)
  • Peanuts (neas perhaps?)
  • Potatoes
  • Peppers
And, a list of many other things I'm probably not even aware of. It's almost as if the book were written by a 19th century white man. o_O
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FiveFingerMnemonic wrote: Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:33 am Curious that the BOM has no mention of sport or the particular type of courts used and how important they were to cultural hierarchy:

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03 ... ins-mexico
They were following the BYU example of losing through righteousness. No need to mention those games as it might be deemed a "humble brag".
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I suppose I should look at modern church basketball as the "restored" version of ancient mesoamerican hip volleyball. We have a court in every ward building.
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FiveFingerMnemonic wrote: Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:33 amCurious that the BOM has no mention of sport or the particular type of courts used and how important they were to cultural hierarchy:

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03 ... ins-mexico
Funny how large and important those courts seem to be. Funny how I never wondered why they weren't mentioned in the BoM... Well, it's not that funny, I was just good at doing what I was taught: TURN YOUR BRAIN OFF, JUST DON"T THINK.
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annotatedbom wrote: Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:44 am And, a list of many other things I'm probably not even aware of. It's almost as if the book were written by a 19th century white man. o_O
Right. I say this both humorously and seriously: the whole book is a giant cultural appropriation. And I'm from a demographic that normally thinks that "cultural appropriation" is a complete baloney issue.
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annotatedbom wrote: Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:44 am This! Along with no mention of:
  • Beans
  • Squash
  • Llamas (or is that what Curelom means?)
  • Jaguars (Cumoms?)
  • Cacao (a truly sacred matter, as far as I'm concerned)
  • Peanuts (neas perhaps?)
  • Potatoes
  • Peppers
And, a list of many other things I'm probably not even aware of. It's almost as if the book were written by a 19th century white man. o_O
or any of the things Mesoamericans considered truly valuable, like Jade and Macaw feathers. Also, no mention of obsidian, which was a very important resource. It talks a lot about gold and silver though, two things that were not used during BoM times.

I wouldn't expect llamas, since they are purely South American and I'm not aware of any presently supported BoM geography theories that go that far south. But the BoM does have plenty of beasts of burden, none of which existed in Mesoamerica.
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FiveFingerMnemonic wrote: Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:33 am Curious that the BOM has no mention of sport or the particular type of courts used and how important they were to cultural hierarchy:
Hugh Nibley tried to claim that Ammon cutting off the arms of the sheep (or turkey if you're a BYU apologist) thieves was really a description of a Mesoamerican ball game. But then he also claimed that the description of the Jaredite barges suggests air compressors and ballast tanks.

Ball courts are turning out to be far more common than anyone thought. People are surprised to learn that there are more than 200 known ancient ball courts in Arizona.
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The reason for this is the cacao virus. It inflicted the millions of Jewish Mormons in the BOM mesoamerican regions of the world. All sports games were canceled for an extended period of time leaving them only to weaving baskets and making steel swords out of wood and obsidian. Of course all Jewish worship services and observations were canceled thus there is no description of this highly Jewish religious populations festivals, traditions, Shabbat, menorahs, etc. This virus started around 600 BC and eventually killed off all people by 400 AD who were not already killed by the steel non-steel swords.
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